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Why did Obama have such a poor record regarding religious persecution in the world

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Seems there was much more concern shown before him and after him.

There was even a severe increase in harm against Christians and moderate Muslims in the middle east on his watch but he had a very weak policy and response

Why was that? and why did the Democratic party go along with it?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Seems there was much more concern shown before him and after him.

There was even a severe increase in harm against Christians and moderate Muslims in the middle east on his watch but he had a very weak policy and response

Why was that? and why did the Democratic party go along with it?

This was just part of an increasing trend, no president before or after Obama do much to stop the trend. The trend continued to increase under Trump. In fact, the religious attacks on Muslims, Jews and other minorities in the USA greatly increased.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Seems there was much more concern shown before him and after him.

There was even a severe increase in harm against Christians and moderate Muslims in the middle east on his watch but he had a very weak policy and response

Why was that? and why did the Democratic party go along with it?

President Obama probably didn't care much for Christianity or Judaism. ...:(
 
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whirlingmerc

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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Allot

Obama charg
It appears less under Trump
[URL='https://onenewsnow.com/persecution/2017/11/02/less-christian-persecution-with-obama-out-trump-in']Less Christian persecution with Obama out, Trump in

ed with 'facilitating' Christian persecution[/URL]

Not an unbiased news source.

From: https://factsandtrends.net/2015/03/11/7-encouraging-trends-in-global-christianity/
Determining the number of Christian martyrs is notoriously difficult. In a Christianity Today story on the discrepancies of martyrdom numbers, Gordon-Conwell says they use an average of 10 years and include “Christians who are targeted for their beliefs or ethnicity, killed while worshiping in a church, or murdered because they are the children of Christians.”

Open Doors, a non-profit organization serving persecuted Christians, tries to find a more exact number each year. In 2013, they reported martyrdoms almost doubling from 1,201 in 2012 to 2,123 two years ago. Their most recent statistics report 322 Christians are killed for their faith each month, which would put the current number even higher at around 3,800, but still lower than the numbers estimated in the Gordon-Conwell report.

Persecution and violence against minorities such as Muslims and Jews has most definitely increased since Trump took office.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Stop ISIS? Instead of giving it a pass? Not make more than one red line that they shouldn't cross again?

It was the Bush administration that is responsible for ISIS.

From: Did George W. Bush Create ISIS?
Did George W. Bush Create ISIS?

By Dexter Filkins

May 15, 2015


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Photograph by James Glover/Reuters

The exchange started like this: at the end of Jeb Bush’s town-hall meeting in Reno, Nevada, on Wednesday, a college student named Ivy Ziedrich stood up and said that she had heard Bush blame the growth of isis on President Obama, in particular on his decision to withdraw American troops from Iraq in 2011. The origins of isis, Ziedrich said, lay in the decision by Bush’s brother, in 2003, to disband the Iraqi Army following the toppling of Saddam Hussein’s government.

“It was when thirty thousand individuals who were part of the Iraqi military were forced out—they had no employment, they had no income, and they were left with access to all of the same arms and weapons.… Your brother created isis,’’ she said.

“All right,’’ Bush said. “Is that a question?”

“You don’t need to be pedantic to me, sir,” she said.

“Pedantic? Wow,” Bush said.

Ziedrich finally came forth with her query: “Why are you saying that isis was created by us not having a presence in the Middle East when it’s pointless wars, where we send young American men to die for the idea of American exceptionalism? Why are you spouting nationalist rhetoric to get us involved in more wars?”

Jeb replied by repeating his earlier criticism of President Obama: that Iraq had been stable until American troops had departed. “When we left Iraq, security had been arranged,” Bush said. The removal of American troops had created a security vacuum that isis exploited. “The result was the opposite occurred. Immediately, that void was filled.”

“Your brother created isis” is the kind of sound bite that grabs our attention, because it’s obviously false yet oddly rings true. Bush didn’t like it: he offered a retort and then left the stage. Meanwhile, Ziedrich had started a conversation that rippled across Twitter, Facebook, and any number of American dinner tables. Who is actually right?

Here is what happened: In 2003, the U.S. military, on orders of President Bush, invaded Iraq, and nineteen days later threw out Saddam’s government. A few days after that, President Bush or someone in his Administration decreed the dissolution of the Iraqi Army. This decision didn’t throw “thirty thousand individuals” out of a job, as Ziedrich said—the number was closer to ten times that. Overnight, at least two hundred and fifty thousand Iraqi men—armed, angry, and with military training—were suddenly humiliated and out of work.

This was probably the single most catastrophic decision of the American venture in Iraq. In a stroke, the Administration helped enable the creation of the Iraqi insurgency. Bush Administration officials involved in the decision—like Paul Bremer and Walter Slocombe—argued that they were effectively ratifying the reality that the Iraqi Army had already disintegrated.

This was manifestly not true. I talked to American military commanders who told me that leaders of entire Iraqi divisions (a division has roughly ten thousand troops) had come to them for instructions and expressed a willingness to coöperate. In fact, many American commanders argued vehemently at the time that the Iraqi military should be kept intact—that disbanding it would turn too many angry young men against the United States. But the Bush White House went ahead.
 
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