In 12 years, I hear.
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Why are you a social progressive?
- Thread starter Epic Beard Man
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Ha ha
About 18 years ago I was floating around on a sailboat on a hot summer afternoon.
The guy whose boat it was kept telling me how the world was gonna end in eleven years!
So, I tossed an empty beer can overboard. He practically screamed in outrage. I pointed out that the lake is pretty deep. No way could it fill up with empty cans in eleven years, so what's the problem?
He didn't find that funny, so I had to swim after the stupid beer can.
Tom
I am partially a social progressive, but I don't think social progress necessarily depends upon scientific progress. I don't view all technological progress as always beneficial to social progress. I don't view social progress as an inevitable human characteristic. I am dispossessed of the belief that technology identifies which cultures are advanced. I see progress as utilitarian -- overall happiness to the random person and opportunity for the random person, especially choice for the random person.
From my standpoint, a country where you choose your occupation is more socially progressive than a country where people cannot choose their occupations; but its not more socially progressive than a country with fewer automobiles. Its better than a place where the government tells you what you will do. On the other hand suppose the USA enters a period of starvation in which its rare that a person can expect to live. Then in terms of random happiness and utility it has gone backwards. Social progress includes opportunity Technology improves opportunity and choice, so it is hard to disentangle from social progress but is not the same thing.
From my standpoint, a country where you choose your occupation is more socially progressive than a country where people cannot choose their occupations; but its not more socially progressive than a country with fewer automobiles. Its better than a place where the government tells you what you will do. On the other hand suppose the USA enters a period of starvation in which its rare that a person can expect to live. Then in terms of random happiness and utility it has gone backwards. Social progress includes opportunity Technology improves opportunity and choice, so it is hard to disentangle from social progress but is not the same thing.
What is a social progressive?
Tis someone who agrees with my goals for society.
Because I believe In people
Ooooo....that's a mistake.
Have you seen the things they've done?
And just when I though that would be termed social regressive. My bad.
Opinions do vary.
PureX
Veteran Member
I am a social progressive because I believe that we humans can and should do much better for ourselves and each other than we are currently doing. I believe we could arrange our society to be far more equitable, just, secure, free, compassionate, and supportive than it is. And these should be our guiding goals.
A progressive who is outgoing and a lot of fun at parties.
Then I'm an anti-social progressive.
I read that as anti social-progressive.
I googled it cause I didn't know what it was. After about 3 pages of wiktionary and other sites explaining what it is, I'm still confused. So maybe I'm a social-confused. One site said it was all about reform, but here in Canuckistan, the Reform party was not about reform at all, unless you wanted to be back in time to 100 years ago.
So I'll just stick with being a commy. It's easier. Americans all know what that is anyhow.
No, they really don't know what communism is...all they know is that it's a label that stands for something bad...most communists I've known didn't really know, either...and most that I know who are against communism don't really know, too...
Everybody knows communism is bad.
This reminds me of a day in about grade 7 on the school bus when some kid used the word 'prostitute' and everyone laughed. So the kid who used it confronted one of the kids who laughed saying, 'You don't even know what a prostitute is!" So after a few more 'You're the stupid one!' kind of exchanges, the one who thought he knew said "it's a person who doesn't believe in God".
So the other kid corrected him, No, stupid. It's a communist."
That night I went home and looked up a few words in the dictionary.
I try to not get stuck on labels so much. I may be on the periphery of progressivism, since I agree with a good portion of it. Of course, it depends on how one defines it, since "progressive" has been applied in different ways.
It probably goes back to when I was growing up, back when "social justice" was the in thing when people were pushing for more equality, fighting poverty, taking better care of the environment, and overall, trying to find better and less harmful ways of living in this world. At least, that's how I saw it as a kid.
I still believe in a lot of the same things, although over the years, I guess I became less and less enamored with the ways and means of politics and the system of government we have.
Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
Umm, progressive seems positive, vs. regressive, which is clinging to outdated ways and beliefs.
Don’t we all want to move in a positive direction?
Sadly, we don’t. But that’s OK. I heard there’s a political party that will welcome those people.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Who could resist ??
Shad
Veteran Member
That dash between "anti" & "social" is critical there.