White Supremacy and Christianity

[Revoltingest]

It's not the South, but it's still heavy on the Jesus and pork, and to my knowledge Kokomo still holds the record for hosting the largest Klan rally ever held. Quiet a few Northern/North-Central towns even have a reputation as sunset towns.
Study identifies Kokomo as home of KKK 'hate group'

But something interesting that I didn't know:

Indianastan's Klan flavor is more of the Michiganistan's Klan flavor.
Not the deep south variety.
It appears to have ebbed here....how about where you are?

 

[columbus]

Have you not noticed the slow change over the centuries?
Even the Democrats nowk denounce slavery & even Jim Crow.

As I have said before, Christianity doesn't mean anything in particular. It's just whatever a self described Christian happens to believe.

But it is nice to notice that Christians are dumping Scriptural Morality in favor of Humanism, en masse. Now we just need to get Muslims to do that as well.
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

And yet so many Christians would say the same about you. Christians disagree on so much more than they agree on, and one of the few things they agree on is that "my" interpretation and understanding of the Bible is "the correct" version, and everybody else is wrong.

Hate is always in the wrong. Even when you do it. Despite what you think.

 

[Enoch07]

That's the only way I have to tell the difference between Christians and everybody else. Christians describe themselves as Christians, non-Christians do not.

It isn't like there's some objective standard or anything. Your personal opinion about which Christians are True Christians and which are not isn't particularly objective.
Tom

It's easy, if they are murdering people, or discriminating they are doing it wrong.

I know morally bankrupt people can't tell the difference. But hey nobody is perfect.

 

[Sleeppy]

You seriously think that the KKK and Adolf Hitler represent Judeo-Christian values? Is there any reason you want to pick the worst examples of people to represent one of the largest groups on the planet (Christians)? Also, the Israeli PM does not represent world Jewry and never has.

Examples. I'd rather not play into propagated bias, and exclude 'the worst', without reason.

 

[Rival]

Examples. I'd rather not play into propagated bias, and exclude 'the worst', without reason.

So if I picked Daesh and the Taliban as representative of worldwide Islam, that's fair game? I mean sure, they're part of the Islamic patchwork, but to call them representative is a bit of a stretch.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

There are 2 kinds of people.
1) Those who see people as groups.
2) Those who see people as individuals.

Was this intended to be tongue-in-cheek and self-referential?

 

[Sleeppy]

1. Wrong. Abolitionism in the United States - Wikipedia

2. Apartheid - Wikipedia was white supremacy, but not based on Christian beliefs.

3. Bigotry is never acceptable. But plenty of people are guilty of that, religious and non-religious.

4. Same as 3.

5. Same as 3.

Looks to me like your just making stuff up.

Making stuff up. Let's find out:


1) Does the Bible Condone Slavery? | My Jewish Learning

Ephesians 6:5

2) Numbers 31

3) Malachi 1

4) Judaism, including its priesthood, revolves around prophecies concerning 12 tribes, and Aaron. Most if not all prophets, including Jesus, expressed nationalist and tribal beliefs.

5) Be honest.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hate is always in the wrong. Even when you do it. Despite what you think.

That has nothing to do with my point.

 

[Sleeppy]

So if I picked Daesh and the Taliban as representative of worldwide Islam, that's fair game? I mean sure, they're part of the Islamic patchwork, but to call them representative is a bit of a stretch.

Notice, I said they represent "certain Judeo-Christian values"; I did not say all.

Yes; those groups are representative of certain Judeo-Islamic values.

 

[Rival]

Notice, I said they represent "certain Judeo-Christian values"; I did not say all.

Yes; those groups are representative of certain Judeo-Islamic values.

I'm concerned then that, if you decry these values, why you describe yourself as a Christian? I am not going to argue with you that the Tanach has laws regarding slavery, reports wars that may be ethnic cleansing such as wiping out certain of those in ancient Canaan and can be tribalistic. If you are opposed to these things, then are you just a heretical Christian? Especially considering Paul's letter to Philemon regarding Onesimus?

 

[Sleeppy]

I'm concerned then that, if you decry these values, why you describe yourself as a Christian? I am not going to argue with you that the Tanach has laws regarding slavery, reports wars that may be ethnic cleansing such as wiping out certain of those in ancient Canaan and can be tribalistic. If you are opposed to these things, then are you just a heretical Christian? Especially considering Paul's letter to Philemon regarding Onesimus?

Sure. Certainly heretical.

 

[Enoch07]

That has nothing to do with my point.

Sure it does. If someone is interpreting a reason to hate another person. Their interpretation is wrong, it's as simple as that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure it does. If someone is interpreting a reason to hate another person. Their interpretation is wrong, it's as simple as that.

That does not demonstrate why it is wrong.

 

[Enoch07]

Making stuff up. Let's find out:


1) Does the Bible Condone Slavery? | My Jewish Learning

Ephesians 6:5

2) Numbers 31

3) Malachi 1

4) Judaism, including its priesthood, revolves around prophecies concerning 12 tribes, and Aaron. Most if not all prophets, including Jesus, expressed nationalist and tribal beliefs.

5) Be honest.

1. That is for Jewish people at a certain time of history. It doesn't apply today.

Christians started the abolitionist movement in the U.S. because they believed slavery is wrong.

2. See #1.

3. See #1.

4. Your reaching here to say the least and grossly misunderstand nationalism and tribalism.

5. I am, which is why I am able to point out your deception.

 

[Enoch07]

That does not demonstrate why it is wrong.

Really? Murder and discrimination are not automatically wrong in your book? It shouldn't have to be pointed out. Any moral person knows this already without having to state it is wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Really? Murder and discrimination are not automatically wrong in your book?

No. I need reasons. Surely, any system that claims to be moral is unsuitable for moral foundations when "just because" is all it offers.

 

[Enoch07]

No. I need reasons. Surely, any system that claims to be moral is unsuitable for moral foundations when "just because" is all it offers.

If murder being wrong is not apart of your moral foundation to begin with. Who are you to judge?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who are you to judge?

Someone who has thought things out, evaluated positions and data, considered different viewpoints, and reached a conclusion that murder for many reasons, "just because" not being one of them.
Someone who can provide an argument for why murder is bad rather than only being able to state "it just is." That's not a debate, it's a position of intellectual laziness.

 

[Enoch07]

Someone who has thought things out, evaluated positions and data, considered different viewpoints, and reached a conclusion that murder for many reasons, "just because" not being one of them.
Someone who can provide an argument for why murder is bad rather than only being able to state "it just is." That's not a debate, it's a position of intellectual laziness.

That's asinine. Murder is not up for debate.