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Featured Which Messianic verses of Isaiah refer to Christ?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by adrian009, Oct 12, 2018.

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  1. Yes, there are Messianic verses in Isaiah and all refer to Christ

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  2. Yes, there are Messianic verses in Isaiah and at least one or more refers to Christ

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  3. Yes, there are Messianic verses in Isaiah but none refer to Christ

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  4. There are no Messianic verses in Isaiah

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  5. I don’t know

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  6. This poll doesn’t reflect my thoughts

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  1. OtherSheep

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    Well alrighty then, let's look at the first batch... to which I've added numbers connected to my answers.

    1. the audience
    Mat.13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
    Jon.20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name
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    2. witness vs hearsay
    Mat.26:61 And said, This [fellow] said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
    Mar.14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. [compiler, not witness.]

    Jon.2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. ... 2:21 But He spake of the temple of His body.
    14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
    Rev.21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


    3. why the whip
    Jon.2:15 And when He had made a scourge of small cords, He drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen

    4. why in secret
    Jon.7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him.
    7:5 For neither did His brethren believe in Him.
    7:8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for My time is not yet full come.
    7:10 But when His brethren were gone up, then went He also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
    7:11 Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, Where is He?

    5. how comes eternal life
    Jon.12:50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
    Jon.14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.
    Rev.3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.


    6. blood of the new covenant
    Mat.9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.*
    26:28 For this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.*


    7. to the 10-tribed nation
    Mat.15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Mat. 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.*
    Mat.28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, unto the end of the world.


    8. the witnesses
    Mat.26:37 And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.

    9. versus
    Mat.5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
    7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work anomia. [a nomos = without Law]

    Jon.12:50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
    Mat.16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? [question of the ages]


    10. because, equals
    Mat.23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

    11. one Spirit, one Shepherd
    Jon.1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon Him.
    10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.


    12. new bottles, born from above
    Mat.9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
    Jon.3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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    * The Jews were righteous by paying for blood sacrifice at the temple. Lost Sheep of the 10-tribed House of Israel didn't have that upon which to fall. Mercy not Sacrifice applied specifically to them. For they are the nation which brings forth the fruits of the Kingdom Gospel. From the hands of Judah/Levi/Benjamin the Kingdom of God was ripped.

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    In other words, wizanda, you are wrong on all counts. Should I post this on your thread as well? Or have some witnesses of Jesus already done so?
     
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  2. Trailblazer

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    I do not need to throw the Bible out... All I have to do is read it and then I can look at what happened before during and after Baha’u’llah came and then there is no question who He was, absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
    Why are you inserting names that do not exist in the Bible? I do not see those names in any translations.
    Where is any specific name referenced in the Bible regarding the name that the Messiah/Return of Christ would have?

    Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    That means that nobody could know the new name except the Messiah. That means that the new name could NOT be in the Bible because the Messiah did not exist when the Bible was written. This only takes a bit of reasoning. :rolleyes:
    I guess I missed that. Are you saying that you are the Messiah? If so, what have you done to fulfill any of the prophecies? MOREOVER, what has anyone besides Baha’u’llah done to fulfill them?
    That chapter needs to be read in context. The wise who recognize the Messiah at the time of the end will understand, so unless the Messiah has come, the wise will not understand.

    That is not what the verse says at all. You are adding to the verse what you think it says. In the context of the whole chapter of Daniel 12, at that time means at the time of the end. So we will not understand these things until the time of the end, when the Messiah comes. So unless the Messiah has come we cannot understand these things. This only takes a bit of reasoning.


    “O My servants! Whoso hath tasted of this Fountain hath attained unto everlasting Life, and whoso hath refused to drink therefrom is even as the dead. Say: O ye workers of iniquity! Covetousness hath hindered you from giving a hearing ear unto the sweet voice of Him Who is the All-Sufficing. Wash it away from your hearts, that His Divine secret may be made known unto you. Behold Him manifest and resplendent as the sun in all its glory.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 169
    Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    The words in the "book" (Bible) were intended to be sealed up until the time of the end, until the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days came. The 2,300 years came in 1844. That math is explained in Some Answered Questions, 10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL.

    1844 was the date of the proclamation of the Bab, which signalized the beginning of the Baha’i Era, the beginning of the Messianic Age. We are now living in the Time of the End, which refers to the time when Christ would return. Before that we were living in the prophetic age which started with Adam and ended with Muhammad.

    The book (Bible) was unsealed by the coming of the Bab and Baha’u’llah because Baha’u’llah and His appointed interpreter Abdu’l-Baha explained what the Bible means.
    Overwrite: write on top of (other writing). https://www.google.com/search

    Show me where the Baha’is overwrote any prophecies; either provide proof or stop making the accusation hoping it will fly on a public forum. It won’t fly because the Baha’is cannot change a closed canon. This only takes a bit of reasoning. :rolleyes:

    You are the one who is overwriting the prophecies by adding names to them that do not exist in any translation of the Bible.

    I do not see any overwriting of prophecies, all I see is fulfillment of prophecies, one after another... Some of those prophecies are covered in this video... There is no guesswork involved... We know they were fulfilled because we know what happened when Baha’u’llah came and afterwards. This only takes a bit of reading or listening to the video to know that Baha’u’llah was the Return of Christ and the Messiah promised by all the religions.

    Second Coming of Christ Biblical Prophecies ~ Baha'i Faith

     
  3. Trailblazer

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    No, I am using the Bible to prove that Baha’u’llah was the return of Christ and the Messiah, which He was.
    Show me one place where I ever blasphemed Jesus.

    Baha’u’llah did not blaspheme Jesus, He testified of Jesus, which fulfilled yet one more prophecy:

    John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    Referring to Jesus as the Son of Man, Baha’u’llah wrote:

    “We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 86
    I am not saying anything about the words and works of Jesus. All I am saying is that the prophecies for the RETURN of Christ have all been fulfilled. That is explained in the video I just posted in this post: #242 Trailblazer, 6 minutes ago

    Jesus never promised to return. Show me one verse wherein Jesus promised to return. Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world. Do Christians have a problem with reading comprehension?

    John 17:4 have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    Why not just put your cards on the table? This has nothing to do with blaspheming Jesus. What you do not like is that Baha’u’llah claimed to be the return of Christ. Christ has returned and you just don’t like it because it is not the same Jesus you believe will return on a cloud, but you cannot change what God has ordained.

    “The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Meditate upon this, O ye beloved of God, and let your ears be attentive unto His Word, so that ye may, by His grace and mercy, drink your fill from the crystal waters of constancy, and become as steadfast and immovable as the mountain in His Cause.

    In the Book of Isaiah it is written: “Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty.” No man that meditateth upon this verse can fail to recognize the greatness of this Cause, or doubt the exalted character of this Day—the Day of God Himself. This same verse is followed by these words: “And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that Day.” This is the Day which the Pen of the Most High hath glorified in all the holy Scriptures. There is no verse in them that doth not declare the glory of His holy Name, and no Book that doth not testify unto the loftiness of this most exalted theme. Were We to make mention of all that hath been revealed in these heavenly Books and holy Scriptures concerning this Revelation, this Tablet would assume impossible dimensions. It is incumbent in this Day, upon every man to place his whole trust in the manifold bounties of God, and arise to disseminate, with the utmost wisdom, the verities of His Cause. Then, and only then, will the whole earth be enveloped with the morning light of His Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 12-14
     
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    How the Baha'is handle the Resurrection story is one of the biggest problems I have in trying to believe in their religion. All the verses leading to the crucifixion and all the verses during the crucifixion sound like the storyteller is saying exactly what happened. Then Jesus dies. Baha'is, at that point are trying to say that everything that was written about Jesus coming back to life, and all the appearances, were all meant to be taken symbolically.

    My argument to them has always been that the writers wrote it as if it really happened. There is no reason to think that the gospel writers suddenly went in fiction mode and came up with some profound symbolic event. But, for them, it gives them a way to say they believe in the Bible... that they believe it is the very Word of God, but still not believe it in the way Evangelical Christians and some other Christians believe it.

    They will argue that way is the interpretation of some Christians is the only correct interpretation. But, they are saying the same thing, that their interpretation is the only correct one because it comes from God Himself via his "manifestation" Baha'u'llah.

    Next, I argue that if it is only "symbolic", and those events didn't take place, then the Bible is a book of mythology. Then, somehow, they come out in support of the Bible. How can you win a heads they win tails you lose argument? So heads, Jesus is great. He was a manifestation of God and the Messiah to the Jews. Tails, he's dead. He's not coming back. Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah are the true returns of the Christs. And before Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Buddha and Krishna were all Christs and equal to Jesus, and all from the same God. Even though I know I can't win, I keep flipping the coin though.
     
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    The only question that is important for you to answer for yourself is if YOU believe that Jesus rose from the grave. Why is this so important anyway? A man rises from a grave, big deal if He did. I know a Baha'i who says he is not sure either way, Jesus might have risen, but big deal. So @@@%%$$$$### ing what?

    Christians just use the resurrection to set themselves apart from all the other religions, so they can be special and better than any other religion. The fact remains that the resurrection was not necessary for salvation because the cross sacrifice accomplished that. "It is done" Jesus said on the cross... Then much later the gospel writers started to write the stories. Then they misinterpreted what Paul wrote and thought they too would rise from their graves and get new bodies when Christ returns when in reality that refers to a spiritual resurrection that would take place when Baha'u'llah came and resurrected the Cause of God.

    Why waste time trying to figure out what the gospel writers meant? We will never know what their intentions were. If people want to believe that Jesus rose from the grave after three days that is their choice. If they want to believe that the body of Jesus literally floated up into the sky and will return on a cloud someday, that is their choice. They will be waiting till hell freezes over because Jesus is not coming back. Jesus said so Himself (John 174, John 17:11). Those are not symbolic verses, they are straightforward and easy to understand, and they can only mean one thing.

    If Christians really wanted to know if Baha'ullah was indeed who He claimed to be and if they are limited to using the Bible to prove that, they would look only at all the prophecies that have been fulfilled by the coming of Baha'ullah.... that is if they really wanted to know if Baha'u'llah was the Return of Christ. However, most Christians do not want to know the Truth, they just want Jesus to return, but wanting it is not going to make it happen. It just gives them something to believe, something they can look forward to. It is so sad.
     
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    I'm inserting the names as it tells us cryptically in the Tanakh, so if we really know how to unseal the book this is clear.

    Isaiah 52:10 says 'we will see Yeshuat Elohienu (Yeshua Elohim)', and in the coming of the Messianic Age he comes back as King Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7); this is also repeated by David in the Psalms 98 (Yeshuat Eloheinu - Salvation from our Divine Being), Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12 (Eloheik Zion - Your Divine Being Zion).

    Zion is cryptically used as the name in many places, 'that out of Zion shall go forth the Law' (Isaiah 2:3), 'that the Lord shall be in Zion' (Isaiah 24:23), 'that the Lord has chosen Zion as his Habitation' (Psalms 132:13)...

    In other words the temple of God, that comes down from Heaven is Zion Elohim (Revelation 21:22).

    Sandalphon
    is an Arch-Angel in Judaism who acts as a 'Pillar' between Heaven and Earth... The word 'Pillar' is also used in Revelation 10:1 which we fulfilled two years before reading the Bible.

    Sananda
    is the New Name of Christ according to theosophy.

    There are loads of other name references globally (Skanda, Ananda, Zan, Ozain, Ahura Mazda, Zand, etc), was just listing some of the Hebraic references.
    God is infinite, the Divine Beings who relayed the Bible are infinite; mankind is within a linear timeline. :confused:
    The Bible is understandable, and many are already saved waiting for the End of Time (Revelation 6:9-11); the people left here are not wise enough.
    The Messiah comes as a Thief before the End of Time, so the world is about to go through the Tribulation...

    There is nothing possible to do, people don't listen properly (Revelation 13:10), and most of mankind doesn't listen to the CPU (Revelation 14:3).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    prophecy operates like a dream, meanings are layered and hidden?

    i believe isaiah 7:14 are the words isaiah **spoke**. so the single letter difference does not automatically disqualify understanding isaiah's message as " a female prophet "

    also

    it's not "exegesis", but it's not uncommon when decoding the mysteries of the tanach to look at a word and look at words related to it via numerical equivalent or rearranging the the letters.

    almah in the text is spelled ( thank you rosends !!! ) ayin-lamed-mem-hei ( [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] ) = a maiden or young woman (of age to marry, usually also a virgin.)

    rearranging the letters slightly to mem-ayin-lamed-hei ( [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] ) = a going up or ascent; stair or step; degree; elevated position, high rank

    then going back to the literal translation of harah ( a feminine mountain )

    it supports the rashi, "an ascending feminine mountain", 7:14 refers to isaiah's wife?

    edit: when i searched mem-ayin-lamed-hei occurs 150 times in the Tanach. i spot checked but didn't go thru each instance. so far, elevated / above / rising / are all valid translations.
     
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    You blaspheme Jesus by saying He didn't rise from the dead... which Jesus says happened. You refuse to believe what Jesus says so that you can make room for your false christ.
     
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    The rule of prophecy is to take it literally whenever possible. People who have to mystify everything are using smoke and mirrors to try to get you to believe their fiction. Jesus says many would come and call themselves the Christ. If Jesus never rose from the dead, as TB is trying to pretend, where is there room for the false christ? Who would want to pretend to be the return of a man who quoted Jonah at them if it weren't true of the man doing the quoting? Clearly the pretenders haven't thought their several fictions through to the logical conclusions. And since Jesus says to Peter that one standing there with them would not die until Jesus returned in His original glory, the Revelation is our finest fulfillment of prophecy... in fact, Revelation is the fulfillment of all prophecy. People who don't see that have never heard the voice of Jesus. Blind guides are leading the blind over a cliff. But those who do have eyes have heard the voice of Jesus, and will follow no one else. True, they may be deceived for some short period of time, but that still small voice will never cease speaking to them, and telling them it's time to come home.
     
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    what about isaiah 8:3 ? is it literally speaking about the child born from the virgin ?

    i don't mean to offend, i want to learn about this too.

    OtherSheep... what you said above is so beautiful. thank you for that :)
     
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    Which is the point upon which all prophecy rests.

    Because unless the prophet upholds the Law given to Moses, and thereby keeps the commandments of God, he or she is a false prophet.

    Revelation tells us that those called and chosen and faithful have kept the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. False christs and false prophets generally want to toss the Law given to Moses away, and write for themselves a new testament based upon their entirely humanistic designs.

    Jesus tells us that they will all be taught of God... meaning that those given to Him by the Father had already been keeping the Law given to Moses... because how else could they have been taught of God? And the Father draws them by their desire for righteousness to the Son who purifies them from the sins done before they began to follow Him. Jesus tells us that the Father gave Him the words to say. IMHO, these words that Jesus spoke are what Moses originally taught. Jesus tells us that the law of divorce was different before the hardness of their hearts when Moses allowed them to put away their wives without the stain of adultery.

    And adultery is the focus of prophecy. Spiritual adultery is adding to what the God of the Bible has written. Because the first Commandment tells us we shall have no gods in front of His face... to mock Him. All faiths may include all other gods besides the God of the Bible (minus the writings of Paul et al which are distinctly Eastern in origin). Jesus tells us the same thing about the Father... that there is only one way to approach the throne of Zion: through faith in Jesus the Christ. Not faith alone, because apart from works faith is lip service. Keeping the commandments of Jesus is our works... and keeping the commandments of Jesus is keeping the commandments of the Father. Jesus tells us that first we must keep the commandments and then Jesus and the Father will come to us... meaning the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit is our living link to the Father and the Son. Full circle.
     
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    What is hard about a Son born of a virgin? The God who can make Jonah swallowed by a fish remain alive can certainly implant a living seed in the body of a virgin. The God who created everything from scratch... after creating the scratch itself... can do anything.

    And you're welcome.
     
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    So far, I have seen confusion between two languages, an invented Hebrew feminine construction, a strange claim about spelling and then a move to gematria which turns in a study of anagrams to construct meaning. Your method seems capricious at best so I leave it to you.
     
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    but Rashi's conclusion is clear? do you disagree?

    i'm trying to understand the Rashi on verse 7:14.
     
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    Rashi's conclusion is that the reference is to Isaiah's wife who will conceive in the fourth year of the reign of Achaz. His grammatical assertion is that Harah is meant to refer to the future (will become pregnant), not the past (has become pregnant).
     
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    interesting tidbit:

    the word harah in hebrew and the word hara in sanskrit (maybe pali, i think ) have similar connotations. both relate to the shape of the tummy

    ;)

    i derived the "feminine mountain" idea from the hebrew word har which means mountain. it is commonly known that adding the hei and the "ah" sound makes a word in hebrew feminine.

    and it's not hard to imagine that a ... ahem ... pointy landmass directed upwards is ummm masculine
    i think in a hebrew dictionary, the word har is masculine, but i could be wrong

    and when i presented the idea, i tried to express it was a stretch. perhaps i wasn't clear enough then.
    may i please be clear now

    the whole concept of an everlasting feminine mountain, or an acesnding feminine mountain is totally creative and not authoritative

    in addition, even if i'm right about possibility that isaiah's words were meaning a feminine mountain of any kind... the conclusion that a _____ feminine mountain means a feminine prophet, that's also a stretch on my part.

    it's a prophecy... like i said... i think it's kinda like dream interpretation, not an exact science, especially for a city kid living in the material world.
     
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    rosends... is it really "invented"? har sinai? har is masculine? harah isn't feminine?

    i didn't invent the hebrew language. right?

    maybe you meant "false" the hebrew word "sheker"?

    edit: but it's certainly not rashah? ( or would it be ra ? ), i would agree it could be tahmei. or maybe I am tahmei for saying it? i don't know, i'm just too creative

    edit edit: sorry: it's yotzer. i formed it, i brought together 2 things that already exist, it's not barah, right? that would be something from nothing, i am not G-d! i didn't invent anything! right???
     
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  18. rosends

    rosends Well-Known Member

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    Not all masculine nouns can be "made" feminine by adding letters. In the same way, one cannot remove a letter from any random feminine noun and make it masculine. Asserting that this is the case with a random noun is an invention (note my use of the English word -- the process of creating a unique composition) you made something that didn't preciously exist. Neither the word rasha nor tamei is remotely relevant. You didn't have to invent the language to invent a word in the language. Is it "sheker"? I don't think so. Just wrong and baseless.
     
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  19. DustyFeet

    DustyFeet पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan

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    thank you,

    i stand corrected

    i hope you will continue to correct me, and i really appreciate your blunt honesty. at least i know that you mean what you say and you will back up your claims

    that makes you credible.
     
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    There is only one way to worship on God's mountain (Zion), and that is to "hold fast My covenant", and "keep from profaning the Sabbath" (Isaiah 56:6). The demons had faith in "Jesus", and ran into the lake when so ordered by him. Now on the other hand, as the "Word made flesh", (Matthew 5:17), one must heed the "Word", including heeding the testimony of Yeshua (Matthew 7:24), which is the "Spirit of prophecy" (Revelation 19:10).
     
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