whats your beef with brexit?

[ratiocinator]

I agree about wanting to rejoin BUT are they going to let us in again, especially with all the opt outs we currently have.

I think they'll probably let us back once we can show a significant majority in favour. I posted this article earlier in the thread about how the demographics will have already taken us to a remain majority, even if nobody has changed their minds. It's the older generations that wanted to leave, so it's only a matter of time before there's a significant pro-EU majority.

As for the opt-outs and rebate - I doubt it. It will all have been a colossal waste of time and money and incredibly damaging to our reputation, in order to end up in worse situation. Back in will still be preferable, though.

If things go really wrong (no deal), the only silver lining might be that the Tory party becomes unelectable for a generation.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I agree about wanting to rejoin BUT are they going to let us in again, especially with all the opt outs we currently have.

They would never let us have that sort of deal again. We would have to join on the same terms as everone else.
They would want some sort of guarantee before they would even think about letting us return.

They might even demand reparations if brexit causes them too much damage.
If we go for a no deal brexit they will probably want more than assurances, before they better world trade agreements terms.

 

[Flankerl]

If we leave now, I suspect we'll be looking to rejoin within a decade.

You have no idea about the amount of bridges the UK has burned with EU members.
If the UK leaves it will never get preferential treatment ever again. But for it to join it has to show that its future lies with Europe and not some grandiose dream of an Anglospheric Empire.

 

[Notanumber]

If things go to plan, the UK’s success will show the way for the rest of Europe.

We need to get back to basics.

 

[Woberts]

If things go really wrong (no deal), the only silver lining might be that the Tory party becomes unelectable for a generation.

The thought of the Tories being unelectable is leaving me salivating at the mouth.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Hopefully we are getting to the stage where we can put all this animosity behind us and unite as a fully independent nation.

Literally the only good thing to come out of Brexit is it will hopefully bring about a) the death of the British Union via Scottish independence and b) Irish reunification.

 

[ChristineM]

Hopefully we are getting to the stage where we can put all this animosity behind us and unite as a fully independent nation.

Thats not going to happen, you are creating a fractured united kingdom with deep animosity between brother and brother. Not to mention the xenophobic hate crimes to come

 

[Altfish]

And still the good news rolls in...

Car investment slumps on Brexit 'red alert'

PROJECT REALITY

 

[Notanumber]

I would hate to be as gloomy as some on here.

Where’s your optimism?

If the UK manages to break free of the EU, it will not be too soon.

 

[Altfish]

More good news ...

Barden Corporation is closing down its Plymouth factory after 51 years - 400 jobs at risk.
European Medical Agency (EMA), Europe's medicines regulator, is moving from London to Amsterdam. 900 jobs involved (total: 1300).
Schaeffler, a car parts company, is closing its factory in Llanelli, Wales, because of Brexit, affecting 220 jobs (total: 1520).
Standard Chartered has applied to turn its Frankfurt branch into its EU subsidiary. It initially expected to move 20 jobs (total: 1540).
France's top banks are moving 500 jobs out of London due to Brexit (total: 2040).
The European Banking Agency (EBA) - the banking regulator for the EU - moved its operations from London to Paris, affecting 160 staff (total: 2200).
Credit Suisse is moving 250 jobs to Germany, Madrid and elsewhere in the EU27, including Luxembourg (total: 2450).
Nomura is moving about 100 staff to a new Frankfurt office (total: 2550).
Morgan Stanley is growing its Paris team in parallel to transferring certain roles to Frankfurt. 200 jobs involved (total: 2750).
95 job losses were announced at Wright Group, a Northern Ireland-based bus manufacturer, in June 2018 (its founder was a Leave supporter). Total: 2845.

The Philips Avent factory in Suffolk is to close with a loss of around 500 jobs (total: 3345).

PROJECT REALITY

 

[Notanumber]

Red tape is the EU’s middle name and they are choking the UK with it.

The UK is built upon small firms and they are the least well equipped to deal with red tape.

Cost of government policy to average small firm surges £60,000 in six years - East Midlands Business Link

 

[Altfish]

Red tape is the EU’s middle name and they are choking the UK with it.

The UK is built upon small firms and they are the least well equipped to deal with red tape.

Cost of government policy to average small firm surges £60,000 in six years - East Midlands Business Link

Just wait until you see the Red Tape that will be needed to export and import goods when the borders close.

PROJECT REALITY

 

[Notanumber]

Just wait until you see the Red Tape that will be needed to export and import goods when the borders close.

PROJECT REALITY

If you are right, what percentage of small firms will be affected by that?

 

[LuisDantas]

I agree about wanting to rejoin BUT are they going to let us in again, especially with all the opt outs we currently have.

Common sense strongly suggest that there would be significant loss of the current benefits.

Still, maybe it will be worth it to teach a little realism and humility to the remainers in the middle term.

As well as a better appreciation of Ireland and Scotland.

 

[Altfish]

If you are right, what percentage of small firms will be affected by that?

Not a clue of the numbers but my mate who has a small haulage company that delivers and collects all over Europe has put 50% of his drivers on notice.

 

[LuisDantas]

If things go to plan, the UK’s success will show the way for the rest of Europe.

We need to get back to basics.

Impressive attachment to dreams, I will give you that much.

Not healthy dreams, but dreams nonetheless.

 

[Notanumber]

Not a clue of the numbers but my mate who has a small haulage company that delivers and collects all over Europe has put 50% of his drivers on notice.

We can use some of that £39 billion to help any small firms that may suffer short term.

 

[ChristineM]

We can use some of that £39 billion to help any small firms that may suffer short term.

Is that the part of the 350 million per week for the nhs but they were only lying.

Or is that the 39 billion that you guys want to default on payment which will destroy the uk,s already flagging credit rating?

 

[Notanumber]

Is that the part of the 350 million per week for the nhs but they were only lying.

Or is that the 39 billion that you guys want to default on payment which will destroy the uk,s already flagging credit rating?

The House of Lords costs the UK a fortune so we might as well make use of them.

UK not 'legally obliged' to pay EU exit bill, peers say

 

[Altfish]

We can use some of that £39 billion to help any small firms that may suffer short term.

That money has already been spent 5 times over on border security,extra diplomats, reopening ports, ferries, trade negotiators, etc,, etc.,