Epic Beard Man
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There is no quiet way to kill an animal unless you shoot it with a damn silencer.. Like I said go away Avodah Zara
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What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?
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There is no quiet way to kill an animal unless you shoot it with a damn silencer.. Like I said go away Avodah Zara
Faithofchristian
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The Thread does say, ( What is in a name:
Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?)
Maybe it's because in Islam, If a person does not believe in the way Muslims do, They are to be killed.
But with Christians, If a person does not believe in Christianity, So they don't believe, it's not up to Christians to go about trying to kill people just because they do not believe in Christianity. There is no where in the New Testament that Christ Jesus or his disciples commands Christians to kill people just because they do not believe in Christianity.
Let's take for instance Atheists and Islam.
Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissim is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).
Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).
Now the question is, Seeing Islam feels this way about Atheists, what do you suppose how Islam would feel about homosexualit ?
Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?)
Maybe it's because in Islam, If a person does not believe in the way Muslims do, They are to be killed.
But with Christians, If a person does not believe in Christianity, So they don't believe, it's not up to Christians to go about trying to kill people just because they do not believe in Christianity. There is no where in the New Testament that Christ Jesus or his disciples commands Christians to kill people just because they do not believe in Christianity.
Let's take for instance Atheists and Islam.
Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissim is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).
Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).
Now the question is, Seeing Islam feels this way about Atheists, what do you suppose how Islam would feel about homosexualit ?
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Very good my Dear
That what I thought about you
You are twisting the settings of facts and snatching the texts out of its context. Of course this is deception to others as 50% of historians do.
firstly, If some one said to you: if someone fight you fight him. then another said to you: if someone fight you, let him kill you. What do you think about the two?
secondly if a state prepared an army to defend its territories as your country now do, is that terrorism?
Now let us take your falsehood one by one. Before this listen to this Quranic verses teaching true Muslims
(whoever kill an innocent soul is asif he killed the whole mankind)
(and dont transgress, Verily Allah does not like the transgressors)
(and if they resort to peace, you should resort to it)
(and dont be unjustful even towards those who do evil to you)
You are talking none sense, you dont know how to swim and you are challenging the ocean my dear !!!
You truncated this (Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30)) from the full verse at the start of it God was blaming the Jews and the Chritians. The Jews for for their say: Uzair is the son of God. And the Christians for their say Issa (Jesus) is the Son of God. God ended the verse by Saying: God Shall disappoint them for that blasphemy. you need to be able to interpret arabic words in its context.
then you jumbled another verse by saying this;
I better translate this as follows
( those who believe fight in the cause of God. And those who disbelieve fight in the cause of the despot. You should fight the devil Allies, Devil plots are so feeble)
what the problem with this? fighting not all the time with swords or cannons. it can be by the word as you do and as I do now, it can be the the tongue and rhetoric . Islam legislated fighting by weapons only for self defense dear
so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)?
This is also not tru (About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims)
Muslims where opressed in the Arab peninsula for more than 13 years. tortured, killed, driven out of their homes, farms in Macca and left every thing behind before they were allowed to fight to defend themselves, their grannies and their children and women not to be taken slave as it was usual at that time. Jihad verses came to discipline this struggle but not to attack and transgress
What is the problem with this which you reported; (Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)).
let me first correct this for you. what you described as (utmost of your power) is totally wrong. It should be (what you are able to get) because this is not the main path to victory
Each nation want to be strong to defend itself from the greed of other tyrants as it is happening now. The most rich continent now, Africa is so impoverished by the current greedy tyrants who garn weapons of mass destruction and deprive other nations from having it. God ask Muslims to prepare the weapons that they are able to prepare( prepare for them what you can) even if that weapon is so primitive. And He warn them that; Victory is not by means of your weapons or the number of your fighters, but by His Will and permission for them to be triumphant when they follow his orders mainly. that why in the first battle of Islam 300 unarmed Muslim fighter conquered more than 1000 unbelievers in their full
weapons
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73)
Yes what is the problem with that????? the unbelievers launched 3 wars to irradicate Islam if you know the history of Islam. In the Trench battle, the unbelievers gathered 10 000 fighter and besieged Madina to uproot Islam as they planned, by killing the 3000 Muslim at that time once and for alli Is that terroism when God Ask the Prophet and the fighters to struggle hard and firm against the attackers???????? waht type of a referee you are?
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
any one who do wrong to any one in this life, God would punish him here and in the hereafter unless he repented and rectified his behavior. No unjustice in the resurrection day. Our prophet Muhammed describe this absolute justice by his saying: even if a horned goat butted an unhorned goat by offense, God will recreate both goats so the unhorned would retaliate, absolute justice!!!
You said
…He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)
When God you give you the shiny clear signs and you ignore it, you shold only blame yourself for your perishing. it is likewise, you are Christian and I am Muslim and tou believe I am going to Hell fire.
NOW, you said:
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers." Verse 3:56, bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).
Good you mentioned this, it is agianst what you are looking for (framing Islam)
this Verse 2:191 is exhorting Muslims to defend themselfs, it ends by Saying (IF THEY FIGHT YOU, FIGHT THEM) Did you hear that? if they start the fight, want to kill you, to take your him, to change your faith, then fight them. So we dont start fightings and offense.
The Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Yes! what the problem, they came to uproot Islam. self defense is a humanitarian right for every person. please dont label self defensing as aggression
please read more about Islam in depth and try to take the context of the verses before prejudicing the Almighty God
You are some how right
Jesus or Issa as called in Arabic language is the one who was sent by Christianity After Judaism, but his depiction differs between Islam and the Christians of today. they see him as God or son of God hut in Islam We believe he is a human messenger born from Mary miraculously by God. He was nort crucified or killed by the Jews but Almighty God raised him up to him. God gave him some miracles like curing diseases, reviving the dead etc.. all by God Will
I had to stop watching that. They were still alive, crying and flailing around long after their throats were slit. Sadistic and awful. I don't know if they were doing it wrong or what. I hope that's not the recommended technique of halal slaughter!
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Seeing that you said in post #333,
BaroodiMember
Premium Member
As Muslim we belive in Adam, Noah, Ibraham, Jacob, David, Moses, Jesus, Hood, Salih and all the prophets to Mohammed. They all came with one word, No God but Allah.
Seeing your Muslim that's well expected, for you to go against what your own Qu'ran will say, seeing you wouldn't want the truth to be known. The Qu'ran stands as is..
For a Muslim you can't even spell your own prohets name right, seeing it's Muhammad and not Mohammad.
Jedster
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What's a prohet?
Tumah
Veteran Member
I don't think you can cut an animals neck bone with a slaughtering knife. It's the carotid and jugular veins (along with the trachea and esophagus) that are cut. I think it's the drop in blood pressure caused from the severed vessels that is believed to cause the animal to go unconscious before it dies.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
A Prophet is someone who is given Prophecy from God about future events, As to what is to happen and what people will be doing and saying.
Jedster
Well-Known Member
My question was my way of saying that your statement For a Muslim you can't even spell your own prohets name right, seeing it's Muhammad and not Mohammad #346, is ridiculous.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Bull. Pun intended.
A typical hunter shoots down the animal, cuts and cleans it. The animal is DOA. This isn't part of any moral or religious rules, but it's still pretty quick.
Modern butchery, as the video shows, knocks out animals. From there, they are butchered.
Jewish butchery cuts the throat, including the bone. The animal passes out quietly, and then is cleanly drained.
Hindu butchery simply decapitates the animal in one blow. The animal is basically dead on the spot.
...On the other hand, Muslim butchery, cuts the throat but not the bone. The animal is fully conscious, and tries to moo, and is physically struggling while it slow dies.
Studies have been done on butchery, and they found that scared animals actually produce stress toxins in the meat itself. These do not have a healthy effect on the humans that eat the animal, but rather warp their minds, triggering heightened levels of violence and aggression. In order to mitigate this, the animal must also dry cooked at a high temperature, something the Jewish law advocates in addition to trying to kill the animal quietly. Neither of these practices are done in Muslim practice. Instead, this tainted meat is sometimes even eaten tartar style.
You can call me that, if you wish. Not sure why you're using a Hebrew word. You appear to have Arab sensibilities.
I follow the One God (not Allah). Probably better than you do, since I understand Acts 10:9-16. Not only accepting different diets but understanding that other people and faiths have a right to be heard, while you're shooing away people cuz you don't wanna hear their words. It's also funny that you think I'm an idolater/foreign worshiper.
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Faithofchristian
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paarsurrey
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Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?
Do Judaism people accept them as a full member? I don't think so.
Unless one gives a specific reason, meaningful comments cannot be made. Right, please?
Regards
Do Judaism people accept them as a full member? I don't think so.
Unless one gives a specific reason, meaningful comments cannot be made. Right, please?
Regards
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
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Funny
I thought all electricians know that revelation is the current and the prophets are the lambs that dispel by its light darkness from our life
GGGGGGGG
from what dictionary you can dictate the way to write Mohammed. for your knowledge, people write it in different ways
Muhammed
Mohammed
Muhammad
Mohammad
all can be right
in addition there are many other names for him peace be uppon him and all other prophets
Ahmad
Ahmed
Mahmood
Yaseen
El mahi
EL Aqib
.... more are there
Faithofchristian
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Well as for me, I just call him Moe.
The OP's original question is imprecise.
What aspects of theology are you talking about?
Christians accept much of what Jews believe if it is based on what the Bible says, since they regard the same scriptures as inspired truth.
However, there is a lot of things that Jews believe based on Rabbinical tradition that is not in line with the Bible which Christians would reject.
The reason there is so little for Christians and Muslims to agree on is because Muslims don't regard the Bible as true. They reject it as being changed and altered, only accepting the parts that agree with the Koran.
What aspects of theology are you talking about?
Christians accept much of what Jews believe if it is based on what the Bible says, since they regard the same scriptures as inspired truth.
However, there is a lot of things that Jews believe based on Rabbinical tradition that is not in line with the Bible which Christians would reject.
The reason there is so little for Christians and Muslims to agree on is because Muslims don't regard the Bible as true. They reject it as being changed and altered, only accepting the parts that agree with the Koran.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe not everyone holds the same values.
I believe it is most certainly a generalization for which there ought to be exceptions but I was not speaking idly. I believe Jesus is the truth so without Him there is a lack of truth.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that means that a Jewish understanding is more important than what God says or does.
I believe it is illogical to say that an understanding (belief) is more important that reality.
How then does that work for Daniel Most of his prophecies did not occur until well after he made them. Is there a time limit on fulfillment. For instance Jesus prophesied of end time events but He is not the only prophet who did. Does that mean He can be considered as a special case apart from the other prophets? After all I believe the end times have not come yet.