That's correct.
You cannot claim that Heaven is mythical unless you can prove it is mythical, although you can hold that opinion.
1)The burden of proof rests on the claim, you have to show heaven exists
2) I said it's mythical, which it is, we have proof, it started in Hellenism which is a myth.
3)Just because Christianity adopted Greek myths doesn't give them any more realism. If Christianity adopted Middle Earth as a real place it wouldn't make it any more real
4)the entire system the NT adopted is all Greek and all from a myth. The Hellenistic influenced myths include:
Elusinian Mysteries = Mycenaean + Hellenistic
Bacchic Mysteries = Phoenician + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Attis and Cybele = Phrygian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Baal = Anatolian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Mithras = Persian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Isis and Osiris = Egyptian + Hellenistic
Christian Mysteries = Jewish + Hellenistic
ALL before Christianity. You cannot special plead and say one thing from myths is real, Christianity is the last of the Greek influenced mystery religions. Isis and Osirus are myth, the Greek myths about heaven are also myth, started as myth and reman myth.
Without evidence they are myth.
There is no verifiable evidence that Heaven exists but I have sufficient evidence to believe it exists, although I have no idea what it will be like.
You have no evidence that heaven exists. You have a man making a claim and a lot of Greek mythology. Nothing there constitutes good evidence.
By "good evidence" you mean you really want it to be real. Not evidence.
You are free to believe that until you die and realize you are fully conscious, existing in a different kind of body.
The most common apologetic used when a fundamentalist loses an argument.
I was not fully conscious before I was born. I was not conscious during surgery.
Neuroscience agrees a soul is an antiquated myth.
We have an existing explanation for how consciousness emerged, it has nothing to do with a soul.
This explains you have a fear of death and use confirmation bias to hold this ancient folk tale belief. It's understandable.
It does not matter where Christians got it, it is either true or false.
You keep claiming things are mythical but unless you can prove that it is only your personal opinion.
Of course it does. The Christians didn't say they were borrowing ideas. They framed it as if it were all from Jesus telling Paul and so on.
Which we know is not true, the writers used Hellenism as did all the mystery religions.
These are not real, the gods are myth, the theology is not a revelation because the gods do not exist.
heaven and souls comes from myth. Zeus and the Classical Greek gods are also myth.
The video of Dr Tabor shows it all comes from Greek mythology.
If your gripe is "maybe Greek mythology is real:, then I don't care. You, do not care about what is true, I do. Enjoy making up your fantasy realm.
myths.....
Elusinian Mysteries = Mycenaean + Hellenistic
Bacchic Mysteries = Phoenician + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Attis and Cybele = Phrygian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Baal = Anatolian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Mithras = Persian + Hellenistic
Mysteries of Isis and Osiris = Egyptian + Hellenistic
when they go here.....still not real
Christian Mysteries = Jewish + Hellenistic
Unless you can prove that it is fictional that is only your personal opinion.
It's proven that it's from fiction. Please link to a peer reviewed paper that suggests Greek mythology was true.
Genesis is using Mesopotamian stories. Also myth. Christian fundamentalists can make the same argument "oh but maybe those were all real too so Genesis is real..."
Yeah, don't care, that is confirmation bias plus denial. I don't have to provide evidence Greek myths are real, they are Greek myths.
But it provides me with another definition of confirmation bias.
"Yeah Greek myths are all mythology, except the part about people having a soul that belongs in heaven"
Confirmation bias.
Why? Because you grew up hearing about these myths as if they were real because Christianity evangelized and spread them around as if they were true. They are not and they were made up by the same Greek writers who made up all the rest of the Greek myths and claimed Osirus was sending revelations. Now, to make your story work, Osirus has to be real.
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Why should I care if there was no afterlife belief in Judaism? I don't care.
I only care what Baha'u'llah revealed because I consider it accurate.
Why would you look at evidence in a critical way?
Why would you look at what Yahweh says and notice it's at first the same beliefs as other Mesopotamian nations?
And then after 1000 years and after the Hellenistic Greeks occupy Israel, a new religion emerges with those exact Greek beliefs?
And this exact thing already happened in several other nations.
And now it's happening in Judaism, a new movement arises with savior demigod who can get you oo heaven, where you belong according to Greek myth.
Because it's ridiculously clear and obvious evidence that there is no Yahweh and they are following cultural beliefs.
To the T. You couldn't make a better model of syncretism.
Bahai, who does not know about this history, assumes the NT is correct and makes up his new religion based on this and Islam.
Because you care if your beliefs are true or not and you look at all evidence rationally and with a skeptical and logical eye.
But you do not. Any myth being true is not logical, the most probable reality is these are syncretic myths passed down from cultures.
Even if we had NONE of this evidence it would make most sense.
With this historical evidence it's incredibly obvious.
Also, no god, angel, revelation, supernatural, spiritual, anything has ever been demonstrated.
So, if you cared about what is true that is why. But, you do not care. You only care at using confirmation bias to make your beliefs true.
So go do that. I'm only answering for anyone who is interested in looking into where truth leads. Look at all the variables and come to a non-bias conclusion for yourself.
For fundamentalists, not interested.
Why does it matter if it is Hellenism? That is just a distraction from the only important point -- it is either true or false.
Because Christians believe it comes from Jesus and God, it does not, it's syncretic mythology from Hellenism. Which supports the idea that it's fiction.
There is an afterlife and you will find that out when you die. Till then, there is no point arguing about it, since it cannot be proven either way.
According to mythology there is. Unfortunately there is no evidence these myths are anything but pure fiction. Souls and afterlife, pure fantasy, fiction, no evidence of probability whatsoever.
Speak away. If you think that all your knowledge of religious history is going to get you anywhere you are sorely mistaken.
So now you speak for everyone here and make definitive claims about everyone's beliefs.
More evidence you are completely wrong.
Knowledge of religious history has helped to see the bigger picture. Only one with confirmation bias would hand wave away historical information on a subject they think they already know everything about.
Odd that you seem to know what information on a subject will definitively bring ME, more incredible confirmation bias. You know SO MUCH that even knowledge I have won't get me anywhere. Wow, that's beyond bias and right into delusion land.
I am extremely fortunate to have never been endowed with such knowledge, which is why I am not confused by it and can see the truth.
Brilliant, getting some gems here. Now we got this, I'll paraphrase:
"I have such little knowledge of historical religion that it's much easier for me to fool myself with confirmation bias and the delusional belief that lack of knowledge allows me to see the truth"
could also be:
"I am extremely fortunate I don't care at all about actual knowledge and logical, rational thought, which is why my fundamentalist attitude shows me "the truth"..."
or
"why would I want to put my scripture to a test with actual historical knowledge and skeptical thought when I already see the truth"
y'know what? You don't. Truth is not for you. Confirmation bias is clearly the way.
I see there is nothing to discuss here. It is just more of the same soapbox stuff. There is nothing critical or rational about it.
Silly me, thinking I could actually have a discussion with you. I guess I never give up my optimism.
No there is nothing critical or rational about it. Because I am using critical and rational thought and you are denying it and clearly showing you are not interested. You are only interested in confirmation bias.
The "soapbox stuff" is a lie. You are saying a lie.
Please demonstrate where I am doing "soapbox stuff", I am explaining why the evidece sucks, and using historical knoweldge.
Which you then try to gaslight me by calling it "soapbox stuff".
Then you try guilt tripping - "silly me thinking I could have a discussion" No, you have not thought that. Not when you copy/pasted my post back at me uncalled for.
Not when I brought up the history of a concept and you deny and act as if it cannot be relevant.
Not when I talk history and you say I am confused by it (more gaslighting) and that's why you can see the truth.
Not when you gaslight me again and say " If you think that all your knowledge of religious history is going to get you anywhere you are sorely mistaken."
There is no call to put down my knowledge. Yet you do.
There is no call to gaslight someone multiple times, then at act if it's YOU who is trying to have a discussion. That would be toxic.
