There is only one reality, and theists miss the mark by believing in that which is illogical and has zero evidence to support its viability.
I agree. What is that one reality?
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There is only one reality, and theists miss the mark by believing in that which is illogical and has zero evidence to support its viability.
But it's not that important. It only seems that way when it's being looked at by people who consider their own god(s) to be important.I appreciate atheism isn’t a religion but it seems clearly a belief and an important part of one’s worldview. If I’m wrong about that, no problem. That’s what I like about RF. It’s a great place to learn and talk to different people across the globe.
These days, the main reason I stay on RF - besides the appeal of bickering over politics - is to try to salvage some sort of respect for religious belief and theism.
I am extremely confident that none of us limited humans knows.I agree. What is that one reality?
Actually, deism is even more opposed to my own beliefs than classical monotheism is.Certainly Abrahamic Theism contradicts atheism and both can not be true. Most of us would agree. Deism is closer to atheism.
It stands to reason that there is vastly more to reality than we limited creatures can perceive or understand. So I am no hard atheist.
So, you've decided that a characteristic of God is "an object of worship", and having a different image is "a contradiction of terms".I think that a key aspect of the term "god" is that a god is an object of human worship, so I see the idea of a god existing out in the great unknown, far beyond the knowledge of humanity, to be a contradiction in terms.
That's not what I said. Read more carefully.So, you've decided that a characteristic of God is "an object of worship", and having a different image is "a contradiction of terms".
That's kind of an irrational limitation.
Tom
We all believe what we do for some reason. I’m a theist and believe in the God of Abraham. That God I believe is concerned for humanity and for each one of us. Out of His love for us all He’s guided us through His Great Educators such as Christ, Muhammad, the Buddha and Krishna to name a few. What I believe makes perfect sense to me but I can see merit in arguments that would reject such a view. I believe in God because:
1/ It seems rational
2/ It resonates with my experience in life
3/ It works practically.
An atheist could use exactly the same argument of course. I tried atheism for about a year but it was the worst year of my life. Some atheists would probably say the same about their experiences of theism. So I can see how atheism makes sense. It just doesn’t work for me.
Why do you believe what you do? We’re in the religious debates section so feel free to debate. I might too...who knows!? I don’t really like atheist verses theist debates. This could be s first. Let’s see how we go.
So, you've decided that a characteristic of God is "an object of worship", and having a different image is "a contradiction of terms".
That's kind of an irrational limitation.
Tom
Feel free to better explainThat's not what I said. Read more carefully.
Because that's what I read.I think that a key aspect of the term "god" is that a god is an object of human worship,
But you missed the "I think" part at the beginning?Feel free to better explain
Because that's what I read.
Tom
@9-10ths_Penguin is not a theist. He has decided that this characteristic is necessary to god.More accurately, some theists have decided on those characteristics for god.
What's a rational individual to do when there are so many schisms?
@9-10ths_Penguin is not a theist. He has decided that this characteristic is necessary to god.
I don't find that any more rational than when a theist confidently asserts implausible things about God.
Tom
Please stop misrepresenting my position.@9-10ths_Penguin is not a theist. He has decided that this characteristic is necessary to god.
I don't find that any more rational than when a theist confidently asserts implausible things about God.
Tom
But you missed the "I think" part at the beginning?
I was describing my view and its implications, not trying to insist that you have to agree with it.
Maybe try not jumping to conclusions in future.
My objections to deism are all rooted in much more fundamental disagreements about the role of logic, reason, and evidence.
What?You're advocating for thought crime, are you?
I'm quoting what you posted.Please stop misrepresenting my position.
That is nice, we like it; but not evangelism. That also is a sort of aggression.Besides I believe in non- violence.