Wars or Pornography.... which to eliminate if you could only get rid of one??

[Revoltingest]

People are going to commit rape and murder, too.

There you go again....Rape = Murder = Sex work = Porn
One should recognize the differences in level of coercion,
level of evil, natural harmless urges, & the effects of
prohibiting what nearly every human wants.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's nearly everyone's feeling. No one wants their loved ones engaging in porn or prostitution because they know it's demeaning and humiliating and that it does harm to the minds and hearts of those who engage in it.

Sure, most don't choose sex work. Most don't choose
to be a lawyer or an engineer or an accountant. You still
cannot say that those who choose sex work see it the
same way you do.
Here's what dehumanizing & degrading...sending people
to prison for being providers or customers.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's hard to look tough if your naked.

The ancient celts fought their battles in the nude.

 

[Father Heathen]

But when it comes to sex and money, force and coercion are very common, and those engaged in it will claim consent, by whatever means, justifies their behavior. Our legal system cannot handle the volume of Iitigatipn required to sort it all out fairly. And the advantages of prostitution and porn to society are minimal at best. It's just not worth all the suffering and abuse it causes when left unchecked.

Pornography and prostitution without consent is rape, slavery, trafficking, etc. which is obviously abhorrent and intolerable.
Having it licenced, regulated, unionized, etc. Would help make it safer vs. completely forcing it underground.

 

[oldbadger]

All wars, including the failed 'war on drugs'

(maybe wars only with cream pies are allowed...)

Yep.
The drug laws should be repealed for do many good reasons

 

[oldbadger]

None of those artworks are pornographic. Look up the French painter Balthus. Some of his artworks could be considered pornographic.

So you do take an interest, then.

 

[oldbadger]

I recommend looking away from what offends thee.

Wot? I'd miss the loo, every time.

 

[oldbadger]

Is there such a thing as elitist porn?

Come on....!
@Revoltingest wouldn't watch low class stuff.

 

[oldbadger]

It's hard to look tough if your naked.

Yeah?
It depends on whether you are getting slaughtered or not.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's nearly everyone's feeling. No one wants their loved ones engaging in porn or prostitution because they know it's demeaning and humiliating and that it does harm to the minds and hearts of those who engage in it.

Perhaps the sense of shame and humiliation is culturally entrenched. Not all cultures have seen it that way.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wot? I'd miss the loo, every time.

Ew.

 

[Revoltingest]

Come on....!
@Revoltingest wouldn't watch low class stuff.

I'm all about high class.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The ancient celts fought their battles in the nude.

I can see how somebody would want to run away from that. *grin*

 

[PureX]

So you do take an interest, then.

In art? Yes.

 

[PureX]

Perhaps the sense of shame and humiliation is culturally entrenched. Not all cultures have seen it that way.

Almost all cultures have, though. And those that have not also have tended to see slavery and human sacrifice as acceptable, too. Because in those cultures human life was not held in particularly high regard. The idea of using other people's bodies as objects for selfish pleasure comes with a philosophical overview that is often tragically devoid of empathy or mercy.

 

[PureX]

Pornography and prostitution without consent is rape, slavery, trafficking, etc. which is obviously abhorrent and intolerable.
Having it licenced, regulated, unionized, etc. Would help make it safer vs. completely forcing it underground.

It would also expand it, enormously, and teach people that using other human beings for one's own selfish pleasure is acceptable behavior. An ideal that will then bleed over into many other kinds of human interactions.

 

[Revoltingest]

A The idea of using other people's bodies as objects for selfish pleasure comes with a philosophical overview that is often tragically devoid of empathy or mercy.

Have any plan to prevent it from happening?

 

[oldbadger]

The whole point of creating governments and making and enforcing laws is to minimize man's inhumanity to man. To protect us from each other, and sometimes even from ourselves. The fact that people WANT to use and abuse each other does't justify allowing it. Not in the name of freedom, and not in the name of commercial profit. Like it or not, we humans cannot be trusted to respect each other's autonomy and well being. Most of us will, but there will always be those that won't. And they have to be forcibly reigned in.

You seem to beost focused upon porn on this debate.
That's sad, imo.

 

[oldbadger]

It's especially dehumanizing and humiliating to treat human beings like sex toys. And these are not motives and behaviors that are healthy for any society to condone or perpetuate. It's not "prudery", it's just prudent. And the fact that you can't see this is proof of the damage done by it. It encourages us to be ignorant and selfish like dumb animals even in the most intimate of ways.

I expect that many pro porn actors enjoy their work.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Where anybody is enslaved in to any thing, then that's criminal.

 

[oldbadger]

In art? Yes.

Naked bodies?