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Why? Isn't a civilized discussion good enoughThe fact that it wasn't in a debate forum shook me to my core.
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Why? Isn't a civilized discussion good enoughThe fact that it wasn't in a debate forum shook me to my core.
The reason I don't put my OP in debate is that I have bad experience with it, to much poo flinging will occur.
Why? Isn't a civilized discussion good enough
Civilizations just fling larger piles of poo.Why? Isn't a civilized discussion good enough
Civilizations just fling larger piles of poo.
Civilizations just fling larger piles of poo.
Speak for yourself your owlWe are apes, after all.
And to those who think this an attack on Islam: no it is not, it is to explain that basic Islam is not extreme and harmful to others.
My advice to anyone thinking of writing a religious text that they want to be perceived as peaceful is to not include, in any context, the phrase: "kill them where you find them." Unless they're talking about germs or something.
Oh....K...no no killingWell, that is easy. You are not really a human. You are a germ.
Any claim can be interpreted as anyone sees fit.
But who is left to decide who is a "terrorist?" For example, the Taliban and other Muslim radical extremists consider many westerners to be be "terrorists."
... Loyalty should be to principle only.
If we're ever going to achieve peace and prosperity in the world, we must stop coveting the wealth of others or exploiting them, or supporting those persons and organizations who do. We must abandon differential moral obligation and treat everyone as brothers, just as the Abrahamic holy books seem to recommend (in some parts. ).
...end of rant.
What I speak of here is my understanding of the teaching, that means other Muslims and non Muslims alike will probably disagree with my understanding, and that's ok
↑ reinterpret scripture and you will be labeled as "someone within who corrupts". The most hatred and anger is given to those who were once in a group, and change popular interpretations, who not just leave themselves but pull others to leave with them. Try to talk someone out of terrorism, out of any irrational belief, and the group will turn on you.Like all religions there are those within who corrupt for their own purposes.
I agree. But the extremist groups, do not agree with your interpretation of the Quran. And in fact many of those who support extremists do not necessarily believe in Islam or Quran. They only use it as a tool to gain Worldly power over people. Their motivation is really struggling for power. They are not struggling or making effort for God.As you guys know, I am trying to be a sufi who find peaceful ways in life, even I might have a spike of anger now and then, so in my search I found this.
An I hope I will explain a bit about the teaching, but don't worry I have no need to do proselytizing. This thread hopefully will give answer to why extremism is wrong and that in the text when it say "kill others" it is not the non Muslims, but terrorists them self.
What is your thoughts after reading it?
Yet the extremists trying to kill Muslims in Mecca pursued the Muslims to kill them in Medina. And now – finally – the Quran addressed fighting for the first time, permitting Muslims to fight in self-defence. The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight was only given to “those against whom war is waged.” And fighting wasn’t just to defend Muslims from persecution – but to defend Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths. All subsequent verses addressing fighting are pre-conditioned on these clearly outlined rules of self-defense. Otherwise, it’s cherry picking, something the Quran forbids as perverse.
Additionally, Quran 2:193-194 declares that Muslims may only fight active combatants. Meaning, even if during battle an enemy combatant asks for amnesty, you must grant it. In Islam, there’s no such thing as “collateral damage,” mutilation, or torture. All this notwithstanding, fact three issues the death blow to Daesh and Islamophobe ideology.
You might now understand who the Quran refers to when it says “kill them where you find them”. The “them” are those terrorists who persecuted people for their faith, exiled them from their homes and then pursued to kill innocent people in their new homes.
Show this to anyone who believes the Quran teaches violence
And to those who think this an attack on Islam: no it is not, it is to explain that basic Islam is not extreme and harmful to others.
Very trueI agree. But the extremist groups, do not agree with your interpretation of the Quran. And in fact many of those who support extremists do not necessarily believe in Islam or Quran. They only use it as a tool to gain Worldly power over people. Their motivation is really struggling for power. They are not struggling or making effort for God.
You forgot:And the principles are...
- honesty = education - changing beliefs where new information is found,
- Work hard & be self-reliant - if you want something, work to get it for yourself (Learn from/copy others who have what you want rather than covet.)
- Work together - synergy - combined efforts are greater than individuals working alone.
Tribalism, power struggles, much of it comes from those who are not self-reliant. Small children, elderly, those who are ill - we all spend part of our life not being self-reliant and do need to support one another in cases where people are unable to support themselves - but if we could all get away from relying on God, or rely on religious leader, or rely on family, or rely on government - and instead rely on ourself - teach everyone to rely on themselves...
It is through pulling energy and resources from others rather than producing it our self that trouble happens for all religious groups I think.
What is your thoughts after reading it?
Thank you for sharing this video I will be watching itI see it supports what the Bab and Baha'u'llah have offered the world about Muhammad.
It is also why I can embrace Muhammad as a Messenger from God.
This movie tells that story well. It had the permission and help of Islam at the time.
Regards Tony
I agree. But the extremist groups, do not agree with your interpretation of the Quran. And in fact many of those who support extremists do not necessarily believe in Islam or Quran. They only use it as a tool to gain Worldly power over people. Their motivation is really struggling for power. They are not struggling or making effort for God.