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This Has To Be A Joke: Unfortunately It Is Not.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by esmith, Jan 15, 2021.

  1. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Our local MP (a government minister) lied about his opponent in the run up to a general election. And won the seat.
    He was taken to an election court and lost the case. All costs against him.
    He lost the seat and was barred from standing again.
    You can not lie about opponents in UK elections
     
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  2. exchemist

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    This is undermining the law and constitution of the USA, not a political opinion.

    It is well established fact who won the election, not a matter of opinion. Something like 60, I repeat 60, legal challenges from Trump's team have been thrown out by the law of the USA.

    So we have two lawyers, who are also senators, now repeating these obvious lies that the election was fraudulent and thus not only lying but knowingly undermining the US legal system and US democracy. This is disgraceful.
     
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  3. esmith

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    as you wish oh exalted one:p
     
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  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I feel better now.
     
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    The headline of the second link is a bit misleading. According to the article, it’s four students, who sent a letter arguing they should revoke the degrees of three public figures: Ted Cruz, Kayleigh McEnany and Dan Crenshaw.

    This is hardly newsworthy. Fox News made it seem like a large number of Harvard students wanted to revoke a large number of graduates’ degrees. They buried that clarity at the end and gave little airtime to the reasons the students gave for proposing this.
     
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  6. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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  7. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    You should be dyslexic like me, then you would not notice spellings as long as it has some of the letters in the right place.
     
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  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I should be a lot of things.
    But I'm stuck being the revolting ones.
     
  9. Heyo

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    Yep. Apply the law to your opponents and it will be applied to you next. Most politicians (on both sides) aren't too fond of equality before the law. That's why I fear Biden may pardon Trump and why the impeachment might not succeed (but I'm still hopeful for that one).
     
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  10. Heyo

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    Not so sure about the last one, but, yes, illegitimately gained degrees should be (and usually are) revoked.
    And I'd also argue that who disavows science, promotes anti science or dismisses the scientific process should be barred from using their title. E.g. everyone working for AiG or DI.
     
  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    On the last one: if someone hid the fact that they committed a crime while a student that would have gotten them expelled, then I'd say that the degree was illegitimately gained.

    I'm not sure how that would work; it's not like you need to get permission from a university to say that you graduated from there.

    One option that might hopefully make both sides happy, though: when they issue a copy of your transcript - e.g. for a new job or to apply for grad school - it could include your disciplinary record, including any censures issued after graduation.

    That way, it would be clear that the student did the course work for their degree, but it would also be clear that whether the person has done something to bring the institution into disrepute.

    Employers who care about those sorts of things could ask for a fresh transcript sent directly to them by the university.
     
  12. Heyo

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    You would have been expelled for a prank. Maybe even gone to jail. And reapplied, done the works and legitimately got the title.
    Send the perp to prison for the rape. Inside his title wouldn't be worth much, but when his time is done, he's in the same situation as someone who had some holiday semesters during the study.
    In Germany it is illegal to carry a title one hasn't legitimately gained.
    Printing a business card with a "Dr." before your name can earn you a fine of several thousand Euros. It's similar in other European countries.
    It's not only employers. The public has a right to know if someone has earned the credentials he's spouting.
     
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  13. Revoltingest

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    Agree.
     
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  14. Watchmen

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    No
     
  15. Watchmen

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    That’s good.
     
  16. Watchmen

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    Not sure it’s exactly as you say.
     
  17. exchemist

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    Well of course it is. You do not get 60 legal claims thrown out, largely by Trump-appointed judges, unless the claims are worthless. By that point any lawyer, which these two senators both are, will know for damned sure there is no substance to the claims of fraud.
     
  18. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Then why would someone being disbarred for unethical conduct be - as you put it - "losing their license for vocalizing their political opinions"?
     
  19. Watchmen

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    Can you quote one of Cruz’s “unethical” statements?
     
  20. Watchmen

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    Can you quote Cruz’s “unethical conduct,” as you put it?
     
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