This Has To Be A Joke: Unfortunately It Is Not.

[Orbit]

This looks like wrong information from an unreliable source. (Now how often have we seen that? ).

Here is an article from Forbes magazine on the same subject: Students At Yale, Harvard And University Of Missouri Turn Up The Pressure On GOP Senators

According to this, the calls are for Hawley and Cruz, both of whom are apparently members of the legal profession, to have their membership of their professional organisations revoked for undermining the rule of law and unethical behaviour in attacking US democracy.

That is very different - and actually quite an understandable thing to ask for.

Thank you for this.

 

[epronovost]

Does this mean that you agree it's reasonable to
revoke degrees based upon political behavior?
(Professional organizations are another matter.)

No, it's not resonnable nor possible to revoke a degree no matter the circumstances unless it's in an honorific degree in which case yes, an honorrific degree could be withdrawn or granted based on political behavior/beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it's not resonnable nor possible to revoke a degree no matter the circumstances unless it's in an honorific degree in which case yes, an honorrific degree could be withdrawn or granted based on political behavior/beliefs.

Woohoo!
Detente!

 

[Yerda]

Maybe the can get accreditation from Trump University?

 

[exchemist]

Thank you for this.

The first thing I do, when someone posts a link from a source I don't know, is try to find another report from a known source.

Forbes may not be definitive, but is far more likely to have got it right than the source the OP provided - which looks like just another of these right wing disinformation outlets.

 

[tytlyf]

I don't see a problem. Actions will have consequences. No one is above the law. At least not us little people.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The below article says it all.
“Revoke Their Degrees”: Harvard Faculty and Students Seek Revocation Of Degrees For Trump Officials and Allies

Harvard students seek to revoke Trump graduates’ diplomas after Capitol Hill violence

So some students created a petition.

Why does free speech offend you?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Does this mean that you agree it's reasonable to
revoke degrees based upon political behavior?
(Professional organizations are another matter.)

I do not. A degree is earned on the basis of accomplishment. Unless the University can somehow return to the past and prevent those accomplishments, the degree should stand.

 

[exchemist]

I do not. A degree is earned on the basis of accomplishment. Unless the University can somehow return to the past and prevent those accomplishments, the degree should stand.

Revoking degrees is NOT what is proposed, according to the link I posted from Forbes.

It is membership of their professional legal associations. Both Hawley and Cruz are lawyers, it seems.

 

[Revoltingest]

Revoking degrees is NOT what is proposed, according to the link I posted from Forbes.

It is membership of their professional legal associations. Both Hawley and Cruz are lawyers, it seems.

Revoke Giuliani's first.

 

[tytlyf]

So some students created a petition.

Why does free speech offend you?

They're always offended and feel persecuted. A symptom of far-right newsmaker intake. It's all a carefully crafted ruse.

 

[Revoltingest]

@esmith...can you fix the spelling in the tile.
I'm triggered.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do not. A degree is earned on the basis of accomplishment. Unless the University can somehow return to the past and prevent those accomplishments, the degree should stand.

I'm generally fine with a university revoking a degree if things come to light that would have been likely to stop the degree from being issued in the first place.

The most common cases are about plagiarism, but I also support revoking a degree from someone who committed sexual assault while a student, but didn't get found out until after graduation.

Conduct after graduation, though... I don't think that a person should have their degree revoked for this.

That being said, I've seen some interesting points about how elite universities can prime students for vulnerability to cults and dangerous political movements. For 4 years or more, these people were bombarded with messages like:

• You are special and important in a way that "outsiders" aren't.
• Your knowledge is correct; "outsiders" don't know what you know; don't trust them.
• Your membership in the group is fundamental to your value and identity.

... and we're surprised when, after graduation, they latch on to Trump telling them the same things?

Edit: I guess what I'm saying is that Harvard and similar universities should probably do some of the same soul-searching around their role in fostering Trump support the same way we're seeing from the Evangelicals right now.

 

[exchemist]

I'm generally fine with a university revoking a degree if things come to light that would have been likely to stop the degree from being issued in the first place.

The most common cases are about plagiarism, but I also support revoking a degree from someone who committed sexual assault while a student, but didn't get found out until after graduation.

Conduct after graduation, though... I don't think that a person should have their degree revoked for this.

That being said, I've seen some interesting points about how elite universities can prime students for vulnerability to cults and dangerous political movements. For 4 years or more, these people were bombarded with messages like:

• You are special and important in a way that "outsiders" aren't.
• Your knowledge is correct; "outsiders" don't know what you know; don't trust them.
• Your membership in the group is fundamental to your value and identity.

... and we're surprised when, after graduation, they latch on to Trump telling them the same things?

Edit: I guess what I'm saying is that Harvard and similar universities should probably do some of the same soul-searching around their role in fostering Trump support the same way we're seeing from the Evangelicals right now.

Revoking their degrees is not what is being proposed, as I understand it.

 

[metis]

At this point in time, after what we have seen what a blind following of Trump has led to, even anyone who barely even knows how to spell "law" should be enraged by what Trump so many congressional Republicans and their followers have done that's in basic violation of the Constitution. It and they are an utter disgrace, not only to our basic "rule of law", but even to the most basic Judeo-Christian teachings.

An American lawyer and/or politician takes an oath to the Constitution, and yet so many of them have essentially taken a dump on it. They have disgraced our flag by wrapping it around themselves but then ignoring the Constitution itself, and they have bought into the "religion" of Trumpism.

However, even though Trump and other fascists believe in purges, I don't want our universities to do this. If there's an issue along that line, then take it to the Bar Association, which was created to deal with such matters.

But, in conclusion, it is so hypocritical for some to focus on what universities may do that's questionable while at the same time ignoring the atrocities Trump & Co have committed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Revoking their degrees is not what is being proposed, as I understand it.

It's what's being petitioned for by some number of people.

From following the links in @esmith 's first link, here's the petition form:

Petition to revoke the degrees of Harvard graduates implicated in the January 6 Capitol Insurrection

And here's the letter that goes along with the petition:

https://www.scribd.com/document/490762513/Harvard-Letter-2021#from_embed

I have no idea how many people have actually signed, or who actually created the petition, but it does seem to exist.

 

[halbhh]

Isn't that what we call "a storm in a tea cup"? This petition will not go anywhere and I don't think a university has the power to revoke a diploma in the first place unless it's an honorary one. They can cancel speaches and prevent a person from accessing a teaching job position or withdraw research grants, but that doesn't concern those politicians.

^^This is pretty much the real picture.

 

[halbhh]

What might actually matter is something pretty different -- all sorts of businesses cutting off any connection to Trump and the House and Senate members that voted in support of his fake made up claim about a stolen election.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

If I found out some business I frequent, like a grocery story chain or what have you was supporting Trump or those that supported his fake claim of a stolen election, I'd want to boycott that business for all the time it continued and did not repent of that support, and maybe a good year after if they didn't have a public retraction, like Hallmark (which did publically retract its support, so they are ok now imo).

Maybe that's a good step!

We could learn which businesses have supported Trump in his really harmful lying, and take our $ elsewhere!

 

[Watchmen]

This looks like wrong information from an unreliable source. (Now how often have we seen that? ).

Here is an article from Forbes magazine on the same subject: Students At Yale, Harvard And University Of Missouri Turn Up The Pressure On GOP Senators

According to this, the calls are for Hawley and Cruz, both of whom are apparently members of the legal profession, to have their membership of their professional organisations revoked for undermining the rule of law and unethical behaviour in attacking US democracy.

That is very different - and actually quite an understandable thing to ask for.

An understandable thing to ask for? That’s insane. There are protections for political beliefs, and someone should not lose their law license for vocalizing their political opinions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

An understandable thing to ask for? That’s insane. There are protections for political beliefs, and someone should not lose their law license for vocalizing their political opinions.

"Being unethical" is a political opinion now?