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The Fascism Test

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
I speculate....
The game's creators believe that valuing a person based
upon contribution is a fascist trait. I agree with valuing
people that way, but I oppose government's valuing
people that way.

Good for the goose good for the gander @Revoltingest , unfortunately. It can't be one without the other.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
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Do I win?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
As some might guess, I'm pro free markets.
Fascism is indeed an emergent property of
command economies.
But questions about valuing people based
upon contributions are irrelevant to fascism.
Correct. That part was more far left communism. Fascism is more about favoured races, social Darwinism and their God given right to rule over others etc.
But maybe I am wrong
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I disagreed that a State grants rights. In the US, the constitution is clearly worded: the State guarantees rights that you already, inherently, hold. I'm aware that many people word it (and believe) differently, but by doing so they are part of the fascist problem.

Perhaps the makers of the quiz believed along those lines.
It has nothing to do with fascism but seeing the reality of what rights really are: glorified privileges. Yes, the US Constitution says the state guarantees rights. Except it didn't provide them to women or natives, and was so loose with black people that it only mentioned them as slaves and they would loose many rights they had. A few months ago Roe v Wade was of those state guaranteed rights. Today it's not. Eventually it will again be granted.
If it isn't the state as the one who grants rights then who is it? Fickle gods who often can't make up their mind? Faceless nature that says nothing on it? It's definitely not those who protested it, because they didn't have those rights and often went to jail doing those "rights" they were denied and this could only end once the state granted (and frequently enforced) these rights.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes, I fully agreed to that.
The common good is superior to the individuals' wishes.
This is basic principles of administrative law, by the way.
And I fully disagreed. The individual is always and in all cases more important than the state. There is no such thing as common good, collective will and other nonsensical myths created by statists. The state is simply a glorified service provider to individuals and is paid for its services through taxes. The state serves me and not I the state.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
It has nothing to do with fascism but seeing the reality of what rights really are: glorified privileges. Yes, the US Constitution says the state guarantees rights. Except it didn't provide them to women or natives, and was so loose with black people that it only mentioned them as slaves and they would loose many rights they had. A few months ago Roe v Wade was of those state guaranteed rights. Today it's not. Eventually it will again be granted.
If it isn't the state as the one who grants rights then who is it? Fickle gods who often can't make up their mind? Faceless nature that says nothing on it? It's definitely not those who protested it, because they didn't have those rights and often went to jail doing those "rights" they were denied and this could only end once the state granted (and frequently enforced) these rights.
Nevertheless, perhaps it (and other differences) accounts for a score higher than you expected.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It seemed to me that most of the questions were based on a presumption that the opposite of "fascism" is some sort of ideological anarchy. Lots of questions about the power of the "state" with no information about what "state" they are referring to. I am not an anarchist, but that certainly doesn't make me a fascist. We need governments to coordinate and control our collective needs, efforts, and behavior. But their power to do so must be granted to them by the people, and must be rescinded by the people if it is ever abused or neglected.

Fascism isn't "government control". Or even the control of the many by the few. That would include any form of government. Fascism is about being in full control of the people, imposed and enforced regardless of their will or well-being.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And I fully disagreed. The individual is always and in all cases more important than the state. There is no such thing as common good, collective will and other nonsensical myths created by statists. The state is simply a glorified service provider to individuals and is paid for its services through taxes. The state serves me and not I the state.

By common good I mean that every citizen has the right to basic, indispensable public services.
And the management of these services cannot be entrusted to privates, but must necessarily be controlled (or better monitored) by the State, that ensures that all citizens can benefit from these services.
Do you agree with that?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I am convinced that Americans tend to have a misconception about what Fascism is.
Especially the economic part of Fascism.
Your test results are 40% fascist because you have surely agreed on the economics part, that is made up of socialism, welfare state, state interventism.
Fascism is light years away from Republicans' vision of economy.
It is socialist-like.
Quite a bit of it I actually didn't, for basically reasons as the other. I agree with one part but disagree with another. Like the one about all the companies making the same part. I agree it is inefficient. But it would probably be better to have some outside group with the knowledge of such things to help organize efforts to make such things more efficient. The state would be the best to encourage it, but it's not likely to have the knowledge to effectively make such a thing happen (in regards to the tires and tools in the question).
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
By common good I mean that every citizen has the right to basic, indispensable public services.
And the management of these services cannot be entrusted to privates, but must necessarily be controlled (or better monitored) by the State, that ensures that all citizens can benefit from these services.
Do you agree with that?
One town where I lived in Indiana, the citizens got an itch to privatize the trash services (this was during the height of the Tea Party), and there was a lot of outrage over it because the city would absolutely not budge on it because the private contractors wouldn't remove as much trash or the same items and they'd charge more to do it.
And private fire departments where beyond a total failure.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
By common good I mean that every citizen has the right to basic, indispensable public services.
And the management of these services cannot be entrusted to privates, but must necessarily be controlled (or better monitored) by the State, that ensures that all citizens can benefit from these services.
Do you agree with that?
I agree that the state should monitor to ensure that essential services are delivered.
But the way the questions were framed told me that the State had the right and priority to decide what is or is not common good and the prerogative of violating the rights of citizens if needed to pursue it. I do not agree with that
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I agree that the state should monitor to ensure that essential services are delivered.
But the way the questions were framed told me that the State had the right and priority to decide what is or is not common good and the prerogative of violating the rights of citizens if needed to pursue it. I do not agree with that
Neither do I.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Quite a bit of it I actually didn't, for basically reasons as the other. I agree with one part but disagree with another. Like the one about all the companies making the same part. I agree it is inefficient. But it would probably be better to have some outside group with the knowledge of such things to help organize efforts to make such things more efficient. The state would be the best to encourage it, but it's not likely to have the knowledge to effectively make such a thing happen (in regards to the tires and tools in the question).
This is a basic misunderstanding of what makes markets efficient. Ideally there should be hundreds of companies making the same part and competing with each other for business. That competition ensure quality and innovation and low pricing, the customer then has the freedom to switch as soon as one companies product does a wee bit better than the others. This is why monopolies or a few players making a secret deal and creating a clique to capture the market is so damaging to the economy.
 
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