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Students injured when Monterey County teacher accidentally fires handgun in class

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by sun rise, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. sun rise

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    I'm sure gun worshippers will dismiss this but it's worth noting that even a cop can do dumb things with a gun in school. It's just another example of how having everyone carrying guns is not the answer to gun violence.

    The teacher was identified as Dennis Alexander, a reserve police officer for the Sand City Police Department and a Seaside councilman. Alexander was teaching a gun safety course as part of his administration of justice class when he fired a single shot from a semi-automatic handgun into the ceiling,
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    Ferrante said Alexander has been a reserve Sand City police officer for the past 11 years, and described his track record as “positive and professional,” according to KSBW. He was named reserve officer of the year in 2013.

    Students hurt when Seaside teacher accidentally fires gun
     
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    Perhaps each student should be issued a semi-automatic sport rifle upon their arrival at school, to protect themselves from armed teachers.
     
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  3. Sunstone

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    Good thing he was highly qualified to carry and use a weapon. It made such a difference!
     
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    But..But..We should arm the teachers so we can keep kids safe!
     
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    Gun safety class? He should have made sure that the no round was in the chamber and the magazine out before having the weapon on campus. There are other rules to prevent negligent discharge. This should not have happened if he followed his own rules. At school I wouldn't expect one, but if you clear a lot of weapons, then more places should have weapon clearing barrels and large, clear posted instructions on how to use.
     
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    Yep, teachers really need guns though! Don't they? That way when the police arrive, they can have no idea which person with the gun to go after.

    When you realize that the NRA actually doesn't care if our society turns into open street warfare or school battle zones with everyone firing on each other and the police, as long as they keep making money- you see they're really disgusting and deplorable.

    Sickening is what I call it. Sick too...
     
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  7. Revoltingest

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    You say "even a cop", but I've been pointing out that much of
    military & police training is woefully wrong regarding safety.
    Some basic rules I'd impose.
    - Always carry chamber empty (semi-auto).
    - Carry the gun in a secure concealed holster (which of course, completely covers the trigger).
    - On school grounds: Leave the gun in the holster, unless attacked.
    - Never put a finger on the trigger unless intending to fire.
    - Know that all guns are loaded (even when they're not).
     
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    I had to follow ALL those rules when I was in Iraq. (Except the concealed holster) Before entering any building on base we had to clear our weapons in the clearing barrels.
     
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  9. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    Good.
    I know that some military types receive better training,
    which is why I added the qualifier "much". Of all I've
    met, I find much diversity of skills out there.
     
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    One moron and we're supposed to keep schools as gun free zones, if that's what actually happened. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a leftist nutjob out to make a point.

    That said, I think there is a more preferable solution: having police substations in schools, especially high schools where most shootings by ADD drugged students or just plain psychos, occur.
     
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    That sort of gun safety stuff is common sense. What’s even easier than all that is not allowing weapons at schools.
     
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    They didn't even stop class after three were injured? Sounds like this teacher should never teach again.
     
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    Sorry I disagree with item 1. The time to draw, chamber a round, aim, and fire could cost one their life. That is unless they use the IDF method and are really really good at it. Remember a firearm is only as safe as the person operating the firearm. Some that carry the 1911 style carry in Condition 1 "cocked and locked" it is as safe as the operator. Also 99.999999% of holsters cover the trigger.
    My daily carry is ether a Glock or S&W M&P Shield (no manual safety, trigger safety only) and a round is chambered.
    The last one is a modified standard statement in all firearm safety courses. I follow the golden rule "Treat all firearms as if they are loaded".
     
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    No not all firearm safety is "common sense". There are a lot of yahoos that have little or no common sense, and that includes those that use/carry firearms and those that don't.
     
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    in spite of the horror of mass shootings.....the event is considered unlikely to happen to you
    in spite of alleged expertise .....misfires happen

    the the genie we call the gun in not going back into the bottle

    let's not poster child the worst of us.....when passing a law
    let's not point to the idiot.....when discussing the law

    and I will keep my gun
    and if I worked in a school.....I would carry one
     
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    Teachers are hard to come by. I seriously believe that they will always clear a weapon when not intending to use it after this incident. Either that or remove his right to carry in the school until they attended a refresher course in what he was "attempting" to teach.
     
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    Having more guns in circulation and believing that this will lead to fewer deaths is like believing that if there are more cars in circulation that this will lead to fewer accidents.
     
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    Put more guns in any location and get more gun deaths. Simple as that.
     
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    The "not allowed" only applies to people who follow rules, though, dont you think?
     
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    Lets see. One bad guy,one gun, 50 unarmed victims, 50 dead, plus the attacker, probably. 51 total.

    One bad guy with one gun, one or more good guys with guns t o fight back.

    Which room would you prefer to be in?
     
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