ecco said:
↑ Genesis 34 does not contain the word "Rape".
Deuteronomy 22 does not contain the word "Rape".
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3rdAngel said:
There is no Hebrew equivallent word used for rape in the bible although some translations render "laying with her by force" as "rape" to the context of the scriptures. The english definition of rape is forced non consenual sex. Your denial of Gods Word is simply amazing. Hard to see when you close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
For example your false claims are put to rest here...
New International Version
When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and
raped her.
New Living Translation
But when the local prince, Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, saw Dinah, he seized her and
raped her.
Berean Study Bible
When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the region, saw her, he took her and
lay with her by force.
New American Standard Bible
When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he took her and
lay with her by force.
Christian Standard Bible
When Shechem--son of Hamor the Hivite, who was the region's chieftain--saw her, he took her and
raped her.
Contemporary English Version
She was seen by Hamor's son Shechem, the leader of the Hivites, and he grabbed her and
raped her.
Good News Translation
When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, who was chief of that region, saw her, he took her and
raped her.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, a prince of the region, saw her, he took her and
raped her.
International Standard Version
When Hamor the Hivite's son Shechem, the regional leader, saw her, he grabbed her and
raped her, humiliating her.
NET Bible
When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, who ruled that area, saw her, he grabbed her, forced himself on her, and
sexually assaulted her.
New Heart English Bible
Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of the land, saw her. He took her, and
raped her, and humiliated her.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
When Shechem, son of the local ruler Hamor the Hivite, saw her, he took her and
raped her.
New American Standard 1977
And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he took her and
lay with her by force.
The "COPOUT" is simply your side.
Is that your copout? The Bible doesn't use the word "rape". Is this your rational?
Hmmm what
? Please get your facts right before posting. See above. This is another good example of you claiming things that are not biblical because you do not know God's Word because you do not know God proving the bible true. For this I thank you
The Hebrew Bible contains several references, both in Mosaic law as well as in its narrative portions, to acts that would be considered rape in the modern world.[1] Hebrew lacks a legal or technical term for rape, since in Biblical times, a sexual assault against another man's daughter, wife, or betrothed could only be a theft of that man's sexual property, rather than an offense against the woman herself.
Your point here is? Or are you agreeing with what I have previously posted to you in
post # 305 linked.
What do you think the words "would be considered
rape in the modern world" mean?
Did you read
post # 305 linked? Already answered.
The very fact that the Hebrews used terms like "theft of that man's sexual property" shows the complete, abject disdain the scripture writers had for women. A woman is no more than "a man's sexual property". That's really sick. That's really disgusting. Even more sick and disgusting is that anyone, today, would attempt to justify it.
There you go again making claims that are not biblical and have no basis in truth. The bible does not use a term "
theft of that man's sexual property". That is you trying to make the bible say something it does not again. What is disgusting is you trying to make the scriptures say things they are not saying.
Then you went on to criticize me for not knowing the Bible.
I have actually been thanking you. I enjoy our conversations. It is true you do not understand God's Word because you do not know God which proves the scripture true.
"The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" *1 Corinthians 2:14. You have also been shown through the scriptures and context you leave out that your interpretation of the scriptures have no truth in them. All you have managed to do in our conversation is to prove God's Word true. For this I thank you
In fact, you are the one who does not know the Bible. I stated the Bible supports rape. I showed one very clear instance of it. There are others.
The bible show many accounts of the Evil deeds that men have done.
There is no scripture in God's Word that says God condones rape. This is simply a lie on your behalf because you do not understand the bible because you do not know God.
Now my friend, if you disagree
please show me a scripture that says God supports rape?
If you cannot why are you pretending God's Word is saying things it never has? Why you would rather promote and believe lies rather than the truth only shows the scripture true which states many deceive themselves, because they love darkness rather than light because their deed were evil. Once again your proving the scriptures true *John 3:16-19. Although I feel sorry for you, at least in our conversation you are proving God's Word true, for those who may be following.
For this I thank you