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Featured So What Happened To All The Changes, Tribulations, And Woe Jesus Had Promised?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Well-Known Member

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    What is it that you claim I have made false testimony about. I have only shared the scriptuers with you that show why your claims are false ones. All I hear are from you are your words denying God's Word because you do not know God's Word because you do not know God?

    No prohibitions of rape??? Rubbish! I suggest you read GENESIS 34; DEUTERONOMY 22:22-27

    You really do not know Gods Word because you do not know God do you. Let me know when you have something intelligent to talk about :)
     
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    You falsely accused me of lying.
     
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    Genesis 34 does not contain the word "Rape".
    Deuteronomy 22 does not contain the word "Rape".

    Is this the level of knowledge you have of the holy scripture of the god you claim to know? That's pretty sad. Especially that an atheist has to point it out to you.


    I'll not chase you silly links again. If you have some verses that prohibit rape, quote them.
     
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    There was nothing done to you falsely my friend. You have been told the truth but you do not believe it because you do not know God's Word because you do not know God.

    You were simply called out for promoting things Gods Word does not teach. As shown to you through the scriptures earlier, it is your interpretation of the scriptures that are in error not the scriptures.

    This was shown to you by adding in the context you left out but you do not believe God's Word because you do not know God so you choose to deny God's Word in order to follow things that are not biblical and have no truth in them.

    Thank you this is another great example of you trying to make the Word of God say somthing it is not saying because you do not understands the scriptures because you do not know God. :)
     
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    There is no Hebrew equivallent word used for rape in the bible although some translations render "laying with her by force" as "rape" to the context of the scriptures. The english definition of rape is forced non consenual sex. Your denial of Gods Word is simply amazing. Hard to see when you close your eyes and put your hands over your ears o_O
     
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    In Genesis 34:2 in the

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  7. Trailblazer

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    I have a reason to discuss my beliefs with other people, because I believe them. Why would anyone discuss what they know is not true? I do not discuss pink unicorns.
    But carry on.... I am sure you have your reasons even if you do not know what they are, or maybe you do.
    Why would you think you can know what the Bible writers were thinking or what their motives were? You are just guessing and projecting what you would have been thinking if you were them.
    Probably, but whether they believed it literally or figuratively is up for grabs.
    Lol is all I can say to that.
    Did I ever say I did have anything that proves that? NO, I said I cannot prove it. I know it but not because I can prove it.
     
  8. Trailblazer

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    I can show you more than one, and there are others...

    Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
     
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    The more you invest the greater the return..... Baha'u'llah said that.

    “The incomparable Creator hath created all men from one same substance, and hath exalted their reality above the rest of His creatures. Success or failure, gain or loss, must, therefore, depend upon man’s own exertions. The more he striveth, the greater will be his progress.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 81-82

    “Whoso maketh efforts for Us,” he shall enjoy the blessings conferred by the words: “In Our Ways shall We assuredly guide him.”” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 266-267
     
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    Why are scriptures worthless if they can have more than one meaning, IF all those meanings are correct and IF they do not contradict each other?
     
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    I do not worry about the future, I do not even think about it.
    Whatever will happen will happen and it will be God's Will.
    Hell if I know... You'll have to ask another Baha'i.
    You are sure suspicious of everything.
    Let me know the next time you have God on the examining table... :rolleyes:
    Rigorously examined by WHO?
    The Bible stories are is anthropomorphizing an unknowable God. It is ludicrous.
    I worship ONLY GOD because that is what Baha'u'llah enjoins us to do.
    There is NOTHING in ANY prayer about worshiping Baha'u'llah.

    Short Obligatory Prayer

    TO BE RECITED ONCE IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS, AT NOON.

    I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and to worship Thee. I testify, at this moment, to my powerlessness and to Thy might, to my poverty and to Thy wealth.

    There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.

    Bahá’u’lláh

    Short Obligatory Prayer
     
  12. CG Didymus

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    Problems with Christianity... One problem is... can a house divided stand? Another... How long after the death of the apostles, did Christianity start adding in false doctrines? Another, what are the beliefs of a true follower of Jesus? If it part of that includes believing in the Bible, how literal should it be taken? Since I don't see Christians cutting out their eyes, I would imagine there are somethings that even literalist Christians don't take totally literal.

    If there is a God, I like the Baha'i God much better then the vengeful, wrathful one that Christians believe in. But, they say that their God is the one and same God that Christians believe in... except that God is not a Trinity. But Baha'is mess things up by saying things like that it was Ishmael taken to be sacrificed not Isaac. They say the resurrection is only symbolic and Jesus' body is dead. He only rose "spiritually". I don't believe that is what the gospel writers are saying at all. But, I would agree with them that it don't sound real.

    But then Christians mess things up by taking things out of context and making them prophecies. Like he will be called a Nazarene? And the one about being called out of Egypt? And of course a child born of a virgin... who then is supposed to eat curds and honey and reach an age to where he can discern between right and wrong, and then... the enemies of the Jews will be done away with. But Christians don't care about that, because Jesus didn't do any of that.

    But take heart, you're my favorite religion after the Baha'is. The only problem I have with them is they mangle to many prophecies also. Did you know they believe the Three Woes in Revelation is supposedly Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah? They believe the beasts and dragons have already come and gone. Oh, and of course, The Return of Christ has already come and gone too. But I know you don't care about them anyway. You write them off as a false religion. And they might be. But how many Christian groups do you believe are also false? I would imagine there is quite a lot of them. So that only leaves the group you are in. In the whole wide world, your group of Christians is the only that has it right. Oh, and when the tribulation hits, are you one of those that believes you will be caught up in the air? Or are you going through the tribulations with the rest of us?
     
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    Hi CG, nice to see you. Some comments for your consideration are provided below...

    Indeed, true Christianity is only a remnant *Revelation 12:17; Romans 11:5; Matthew 7:22-27; Romans 9:27; Joel 2:34; Matthew 22:14. God will always have a people that believe and follow His Word. Many are called but few are chosen. Not everyone that says to God Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. In the last days there will be many false prophets (messengers) and false Chrsits (Churches) showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible they shall deceive God's very elect *Matthew 24:24. Everything above is accoding to scriptures, prophecy and God's Word.
    Since the time of the Apostles false teachings were entering into the church *Acts 15; Galatians 4. This was prophesied by JESUS *Matthew 7:15; Matthew 24:24-25. Paul new it was happening and warned that it would continue after his departing *Acts 20:29. Peter also warned about false teachers and prophets in 2 Peter 2:1-3. All the above is only a fulfillment of prophecy and the scriptures coming true and can be seen in our very day. That being said God has his people in every Church who are living up to all the knowledge he has revealed to them. God is calling his people out where ever they may be to worship him in Spirit and in truth *John 10:16. The hour is coming and now is that the true worshippers must worship him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling his people back to the pure Word of God. No one can know God's Word unless they prayerfully seek God through his Spirit to guide and teach them his Word as spiritual things are spiritually discerned *2 Corinthians 2:14; John 14:26: John 16:13; John 17:17; John 7:17; Hebrews 8:10-12; John 8:31-36.
    Baha'i is one of the false teaching we are warned about in the bible. It is not based on the scriptures and is not biblical. It is because of God's great love and mercy toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. For God so loved our world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life * Romans 5:8; John 3:16. God is not willing that any should perish but that all through him might be saved *2 Peter 3:9.
    Joseph Mary and JESUS (when he was a baby) had to flee to Egypt when Herod but a death sentance on all children about the age of JESUS *Matthew 2:13-23
    Jesus was called a Nazarene just like the scriptures foretold *John 1:46
    Already addressed above I guess so would be repeating myself here. I personally believe that the Bahai's faith is not biblical and is a false teaching.
     
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    You falsely accused me of lying. That became very clear in my last post.

    But, I am familiar enough with holier than thou Christians to know they never admit any wrongdoing. Your God forgives all your sins, right?
     
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    Is that your copout? The Bible doesn't use the word "rape". Is this your rational?

    The Hebrew Bible contains several references, both in Mosaic law as well as in its narrative portions, to acts that would be considered rape in the modern world.[1] Hebrew lacks a legal or technical term for rape, since in Biblical times, a sexual assault against another man's daughter, wife, or betrothed could only be a theft of that man's sexual property, rather than an offense against the woman herself.​

    What do you think the words "would be considered rape in the modern world" mean? The very fact that the Hebrews used terms like "theft of that man's sexual property" shows the complete, abject disdain the scripture writers had for women. A woman is no more than "a man's sexual property". That's really sick. That's really disgusting. Even more sick and disgusting is that anyone, today, would attempt to justify it.

    Then you went on to criticize me for not knowing the Bible.

    In fact, you are the one who does not know the Bible. I stated the Bible supports rape. I showed one very clear instance of it. There are others.

    You said I lied. You said there were examples of the Bible being against rape. You posted two links that did not show the Bible was against rape. Did you intentionally post two false links or did you post links that don't support your argument in the hopes that I wouldn't bother checking?
     
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    I went to BibleHub KJV - Ctrl F rape 0 results.
    I checked some of the other versions that you referenced - NIV. Indeed they do use the word "rape".

    However, Gen 34 certainly doesn't condemn rape as angel3 would have us believe...

    24All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised.

    25Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male. 26They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword and took Dinah from Shechem’s house and left. 27The sons of Jacob came upon the dead bodies and looted the city where their sister had been defiled. 28They seized their flocks and herds and donkeys and everything else of theirs in the city and out in the fields. 29They carried off all their wealth and all their women and children, taking as plunder everything in the houses.
    One man raped one woman. In response, the woman's relatives slaughter an entire village of men and take, as plunder, all the women and children. The writers find it important to point out that they also took their donkeys.

    All the women of the village, who were guilty of nothing, are taken as plunder (raped). All the children of the village, who were guilty of nothing, are taken as plunder (raped and worse).

    Was God upset by any of this? Nope. He gave Jacob and his family advice to get out of town and worship Him...
    35:1Then God said to Jacob, “Go up to Bethel and settle there, and build an altar there to God, who appeared to you...
    And then God protected them by destroying more of the innocents...
    35:5Then they set out, and the terror of God fell on the towns all around them so that no one pursued them.​

    Ya gotta love the morals of the Bible writers and their God. Ya also gotta love the morals of those, today, who would defend them.

     
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    Do you figuratively believe the earth is a sphere?

    The word believe, means believe. Period.
     
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    All I need to respond to that is to give a randomly selected example:

    ALL glory be to this Day, the Day in which the fragrances of mercy have been wafted over all created things, a Day so blest that past ages and centuries can never hope to rival it, a Day in which the countenance of the Ancient of Days hath turned towards His holy seat. Thereupon the voices of all created things, and beyond them those of the Concourse on High, were heard calling aloud: “Haste thee, O Carmel, for lo, the light of the countenance of God, the Ruler of the Kingdom of Names and Fashioner of the heavens, hath been lifted upon thee.”

    Seized with transports of joy, and raising high her voice, she thus exclaimed: “May my life be a sacrifice to Thee, inasmuch as Thou hast fixed Thy gaze upon me, hast bestowed upon me Thy bounty, and hast directed towards me Thy steps. Separation from Thee, O Thou Source of everlasting life, hath well nigh consumed me, and my remoteness from Thy presence hath burned away my soul.
    Silly nonsense.

    the voices of all created things... were heard calling aloud

    Really? All created things have voices? All created things called aloud “Haste thee, O Carmel". Snakes called aloud “Haste thee, O Carmel"? Bunny rabbits called aloud “Haste thee, O Carmel"? Worms?
     
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    I wasn't asking for proof. I know that is as impossible as proving god didn't create everything Lst Thursday.

    However, you have absolutely nothing to show that Baluluah communicated with a God. NOTHING! Ditto for Muhammed, Charles Russel, Jesus, Shiva, Moses, Athena, Joseph Smith et al.
     
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    I'll just take the first one.

    Mark 14:60And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? 61But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.​

    First off, these are the words of the anonymous writer of Mark pretending he overhead a conversation between Jesus and "priests". There is no indication that anyone actually recorded this or any conversation.

    Nevertheless, and for the sake of discussion, Jesus is talking about himself, not some distant Baluluah or Muhammed.
    Jesus believes he is the Son of The Blessed (God). Jesus also believes he is the Son of Man - Joseph (and Mary). Jesus (or at least the anonymous writer of Mark) believes Jesus is going to return from heaven.

    In any case, your Baluluah did not come in the clouds of heaven.


    So, once again you, or another Bahai, post an ironclad prophecy that is not a fulfilled prophecy by any stretch of the imagination. FAIL.

    I'll not bother to waste my time destroying the rest of your prophecies.
     
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