What are you talking about?You need to understand that gays are allowed to be sacrificed in this game, They promoted gays and raised a storm against them.
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What are you talking about?You need to understand that gays are allowed to be sacrificed in this game, They promoted gays and raised a storm against them.
Why, by your understanding, are those teachings not making much advance there?In a Baptist Church in Holland I went to, they had a program "Pray the gay away". They got it from America (I just heard about the prayer, never saw a book with. But must have been there.
They think gay is okay if you don't practise
So they want all gay become Christian priests
But not one of those Christian priests making frontpage news this year
I have read two versions of the Quran and also the boring Hadith. Further, accepted commentaries. I found them to be a very distributing piece of religious literature.Those islaamic teachings? Sure they are.
This is a perfect example of the often-overlooked significant contrasts between Islaam and Christianity these days.
Christianity has very similar, and arguably literally the same points of doctrine in its tradition... but it allows itself to learn better, and for the most part it indeed learned better. European Christians are religiously mature enough to not fall prey to the poison that would otherwise fester from their doctrine.
Islaam literally forbids itself from learning sanity in a comparable fashion... and it shows. It also forbids trusting non-Muslims, although it is anyone's guess on how deeply that teaching takes root where there are mixed communities.
But of course, it is well documented that Muslims just don't mix very much at all, mostly because they refuse to even attempt to.
For all of its faults, Christianity has an enormously better track record in that regard.
Nor is it much of a secret that for the most part Muslim communities adopt the strategy (conscious or otherwise) of emphasizing that people should be left to their own devices and beliefs when the Muslim numbers are low. But as soon as the numbers rise (and Muslims are well known for their remarkable demographic growth) they start to expect political privilege and exception (as clearly demanded by the Qur'an, one should note).
Unfortunately, there is no way to appease such expectations without submitting to them. Islaam must be confronted in no unclear terms, although I can hardly trust the discernment nor the wisdom (such as it is) of the Right to materialize such a much necessary endeavor. It falls to the center and the left to accept and actualize the need of telling Muslims that they will not be allowed to destroy democracy no matter how sincerely they believe that God wants them to, nor how many voters they end up producing.
I would not call them religious, personally. Islaam is so very poor on religious content, and sabotates what little it has so effectively, that it can hardly be considered a religion. It can be said to cosplay as one, I guess.I have read two versions of the Quran and also the boring Hadith. Further, accepted commentaries. I found them to be a very distributing piece of religious literature.
I live in Europe so my freedom of speech is chilled. I must be politically correct or the thought control police may send me a fine through the mail!I would not call them religious, personally. Islaam is so very poor on religious content, and sabotates what little it has so effectively, that it can hardly be considered a religion. It can be said to cosplay as one, I guess.
But it is very much a doctrine; a very tribalistic, very imperalistic, very theocentric one at that. And yes, a very disturbing one.
Unfortunately, also a very widespread one, and one that has developed rather impressive strategies of antifragility that lend it entirely undeserved longevity and a superficial apperance of resilience.
One of those strategies is making a whipping boy out of the ahadith. Muslims both need the Ahadith and the Sira to make actual practical sense of the Qur'an and feel safe to disregard both whenever even slightly convenient, since they do not "come from Allah". They are in effect, whenever any question about the validity and worth and Islaam is raised, bad cops for the Qur'ans presumed "good" (albeit insane, authoritarian, retrograde and imperialistic) cop.
Frankly, it is all a sad waste of time that ends up distracting Muslims from the opportunity to develop even default levels of spirituality and morality. They would very much be better off without Islaam. But there is so much direct discouragement from admitting that even to themselves that ex-Muslims end up having to be clandestine.
That bad? I expect better.I live in Europe so my freedom of speech is chilled. I must be politically correct or the thought control police may send me a fine through the mail!
So is the Bible, especially the OT. Thankfully, in both cases, most religious people aren't scriptural literalists. They’re actually practicing social constructs that have long developed from those initial beliefs. How else could there be so many vast different denominations, sects and schisms within each broad faith?I have read two versions of the Quran and also the boring Hadith. Further, accepted commentaries. I found them to be a very distributing piece of religious literature.
Did I say that?Why, by your understanding, are those teachings not making much advance there?
Fundamentalist Christians are taught just the same, in far more schools, yet this is not mentioned. The number of muslim schools in the Netherlands seems to be about 50, out of several thousand. It is not clear that all of them distribute anti-gay literature.
This is just more of your nasty propaganda.
I'm all for making laws against homophobic school curriculum, but this is a really obviously slanted targeted attack at Muslims, instead of the more or less widespread homophobia among religious institutions.
Interesting that y'all suddenly care about the gays the moment you can use it to try to direct people towards targeting Islam (and Islam alone).
Presenting homophobia in schools as a predominantly Muslim phenomena is seriously slanted and obviously ideologically motivated.
I'd be in favour of legal restrictions on these schools, but OP is a very obvious attempt to feign concern about homophobia when really the goal isn't to prevent it, it's to attack Muslim schools.
Holland is one of the prototypes of Liberal fascism.Good news. Already today I see now news telling Christians do the same (against homos etc)
Minor difference. Christians do not teach that homos should be killed. Don't say apostate is worst sin (death penalty) etc
Also not teaching women not allowed outside unless permission of husband, and women must do sex deed even if they don't feel to do so (again woman MUST obey man).
And remember, they try to impose all of this in Holland. Country of gay pride joined by 1 million (sorry checked my facts, only 500 thousand spectators)
My opinion. No coincidence Muslims target Dutch schools with anti homo. We have biggest gay pride in Europe (I think, maybe world even). Did not check if this is true, not that important.
Important is that they try to sabotage our Dutch freedom of speech and expression of art (Muhammad cartoon contest) and other freedom.
But they wake up the Dutchies. Now Christian schools maybe need to let go similar bad practises. Matthew tells about not condemn others for what you do yourself also.
Holland will become more free I think. Thanks to the Muslims. Freedom can't be stopped (only temporary)
In this case however, the books these Dutch Islamic children were given to read in class were literally quoted.No, I'm saying they spin every story to involve an anti-muslim/racist angle.
If they start running articles about white christian anti-gay bigots, then I'll take them much more seriously.
Face the news and facts.What are you talking about?
I'm all for making laws against homophobic school curriculum, but this is a really obviously slanted targeted attack at Muslims, instead of the more or less widespread homophobia among religious institutions.
Interesting that y'all suddenly care about the gays the moment you can use it to try to direct people towards targeting Islam (and Islam alone).
Fascism is about control others, not having personal freedom of expression and many more things. All just labels.Holland is one of the prototypes of Liberal fascism.
They can't stop. In exchange for oil they agreed to accept Islam promotion in STRASBOURG Resolution 1975. Probably that's why they waited this long to have proof that Islam violated the Resolutions themselves.The government keeps saying that they wish to stop these money flows, but they don't really want to because of their business relationships with such repressive countries
It is a religion influenced heavily with desert mentality!Because Islam is not humble. Has no teachings on humility, as humility is shameful in Islam.
Christianity, and most other religions have humility.