RF-Wide Political Compass

[Cooky]

Didn't someone post a picture here somewhere showing congress is all in the blue? That could explain a lot of things.

(This wasn't meant as a partisan jab as according to the latest polls, there is disapproval of Congress from both the left and right)

If anyone in a position of politics is *truly* in the blue, then we have a lot to worry about... Personally, I'm sure even Trump would be in the green in reality. I don't believe that the chart @9-10ths_Penguin posted is true, especially if Biden is that much more right wing than me... According to that Chart, even Sanders is more conservative than me...

 

[Deeje]

Sorry to answer seriously but...everyone has a political position. Even those who have no interest or interaction with politics in terms of political parties, governments, etc.

You could be (for example) strongly libertarian, thinking that government is at best a neccessary evil, and that the smaller and less powerful governments are, the better. You could be strongly secular, in terms of thinking government and religion are separate spheres. You could be in favour of theocracy (not talking about you specifically, just general examples).

So, if your position is that government should basically leave you alone, and not impact strongly on your life, or interfere with various aspects of your cultural and religious positions, that's a political position. Even though it might involve thinking all political parties are as bad as each other, and a waste of space.

However....of course...there is absolutely no pressure to take the test. Just thought it worth a quick comment. Ideally we'd love to see diverse views on politics represented.

I understand what you mean, but as a Christian, we have NO political affiliations....and no preferences. We of course, would prefer the freedom of religion that is guaranteed in most constitutions, but should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government. We will just do what the first Christians did....but we don't vote so we are safe in the knowledge that we had no part in putting them in office, and so we do not bear responsibility for what they do.

Politics is a dirty business as we all know, so we'd rather keep our nose out of it and just do our thing. They have nothing to fear from us.....and we will not break their laws unless they ask us to break God's.
That's fair enough isn't it?

 

[Windwalker]

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

 

[Windwalker]

I understand what you mean, but as a Christian, we have NO political affiliations....and no preferences. We of course, would prefer the freedom of religion that is guaranteed in most constitutions, but should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government. We will just do what the first Christians did....but we don't vote so we are safe in the knowledge that we had no part in putting them in office, and so we do not bear responsibility for what they do.

Politics is a dirty business as we all know, so we'd rather keep our nose out of it and just do our thing. They have nothing to fear from us.....and we will not break their laws unless they ask us to break God's.
That's fair enough isn't it?

Sorry, I don't buy it. Sounds good on paper, but everyone has a view on these things, even if they prefer to stay out of politics. No need to make a show of it.

 

[Cooky]

-5, -6. Lower left green quadrant.

So we're about the same. Just imagine if there were some 'real' right wingers on this forum... You guys would have a coronary.

 

[Left Coast]

If anyone in a position of politics is *truly* in the blue, then we have a lot to worry about... Personally, I'm sure even Trump would be in the green in reality. I don't believe that the chart @9-10ths_Penguin posted is true, especially if Biden is that much more right wing than me... According to that Chart, even Sanders is more conservative than me...

Agreed, those placements seem suspect to me.

 

[Jedster]

@Rival

I am not much into politics.
Could someone explain what this means

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

 

[oldbadger]

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[Cooky]

I understand what you mean, but as a Christian, we have NO political affiliations....and no preferences. We of course, would prefer the freedom of religion that is guaranteed in most constitutions, but should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government. We will just do what the first Christians did....but we don't vote so we are safe in the knowledge that we had no part in putting them in office, and so we do not bear responsibility for what they do.

Politics is a dirty business as we all know, so we'd rather keep our nose out of it and just do our thing. They have nothing to fear from us.....and we will not break their laws unless they ask us to break God's.
That's fair enough isn't it?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I understand what you mean, but as a Christian, we have NO political affiliations....and no preferences. We of course, would prefer the freedom of religion that is guaranteed in most constitutions, but should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government. We will just do what the first Christians did....but we don't vote so we are safe in the knowledge that we had no part in putting them in office, and so we do not bear responsibility for what they do.

Politics is a dirty business as we all know, so we'd rather keep our nose out of it and just do our thing. They have nothing to fear from us.....and we will not break their laws unless they ask us to break God's.
That's fair enough isn't it?

Yup, absolutely fair enough.

For me, there is politics (dirty business where lobby groups and politicians are found) and then there is a much more colloquial 'politics'.
I happen to be interested in both. My wife is mostly disgusted by politics and politicians, but (for example) she is interested in how mental health is managed in our society.

So I'd say she is kinda interested in colloquial 'politics'.
But left/right spectrum, ideology, debates, tv ads, etc? She sees it all as bags of wind overly invested in their own importance.

Again...you do you, I have no issue. One thing that interested me was 'should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government.'
I'd love to discuss that further to make sure I understand the full scope of what you're suggesting there, but this isn't the place. And obviously you need to take a deep breath before discussing these things with me, since I'll have lots of questions, and few answers.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

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You appear to be me, based on that result-set.
I guess we'd look different on the Aussie-Brit continuum line, but that wasn't included in the survey...lol

 

[lewisnotmiller]

@Rival

I am not much into politics.
Could someone explain what this means

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Pretty similar to where I sit.
So, economic left/right, you're literally exactly where I sit. It's about how much control the government should have in economics, and how much is left to free markets.
I landed in that spot because I believe banks need regulation, monopolies are bad, and that globalisation should serve human interest rather than corporate interests (whether it does is quite a different question).

Libertarian/Authoritarian you're sitting a little more authoritarian than me, but that just comes down to the balance between individual rights and communal rights. I suspect my views on abortion and whether authority should be questioned land me further down the libertarian scale than I really am. It's fair to say I strongly believe in questioning authority, but my means of questioning is probably an overly polite email, so...meh...
In simple terms you probably think people should be quite free within certain boundaries established for everyone's benefit. We might differ slightly on where those boundaries are, but neither of us want governments, corporations, or religions controlling us too much.

 

[Deeje]

One thing that interested me was 'should that be withdrawn, we will still abide by the laws of the land no matter who is in government.'
I'd love to discuss that further to make sure I understand the full scope of what you're suggesting there, but this isn't the place. And obviously you need to take a deep breath before discussing these things with me, since I'll have lots of questions, and few answers.

Only too happy LnM

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Only too happy LnM

You've done it now...lol
I'm gonna start a thread. I'll link you.
Not urgent, though, just my curiousity.

 

[Deeje]

Sorry, I don't buy it. Sounds good on paper, but everyone has a view on these things, even if they prefer to stay out of politics. No need to make a show of it.

No show...its just what we do.....political neutrality is what Jesus demonstrated when he was on the earth....we follow the Master. We can think whatever we like but we keep our opinions to ourselves.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It's weird, because I had to answer every question like a total selfish jerk to be able to be in the blue... I gotta spank my kids, be a total racist and hate the poor and environment... I don't believe the people who created this chart actually understand much about politics, because according to the questions, anyone who ends up in the blue needs psychological help.

I have to admit, that's kinda my take on this as well.
It talks about a concept like nationalism at one point. But you can be a conservative who is a nationalist, or a conservative who is not (particularly true if something else like religion, race or cultural heritage is playing a role more important than nationality in your belief systems).

Anyway...I guess it's somewhat useful to place us roughly against each other in relative terms.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

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If anyone in a position of politics is *truly* in the blue, then we have a lot to worry about... Personally, I'm sure even Trump would be in the green in reality. I don't believe that the chart @9-10ths_Penguin posted is true, especially if Biden is that much more right wing than me... According to that Chart, even Sanders is more conservative than me...

The thing, by global, non-American standards there really arent many LW politicians in America. Its still basically a mandate a politician support capitalism just be have a chance at running.
Which leaves for the question on politicians being for more control or more freedoms. And American Politicians aren't known for having libterarian leanings.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

So we're about the same. Just imagine if there were some 'real' right wingers on this forum... You guys would have a coronary.

I'm well aware this is complete propoganda, but I did the one below and came out as 100% conservative. Go me!
So I agree that the nature of the quiz has a lot to do with the plotting at the end.

Political Compass Quiz – Turning Point UK

 

[Cooky]

The thing, by global, non-American standards there really arent many LW politicians in America. Its still basically a mandate a politician support capitalism just be have a chance at running.
Which leaves for the question on politicians being for more control or more freedoms. And American Politicians aren't known for having libterarian leanings.

But in the poll, one of the questions asked if there should be environmental regulations on factories, since they cannot be trusted on their own... Of course they cant, and of course there should be regulations, otherwise they would be pouring oil down the sink or in the river, but that doesn't make me a socialist, but according to the poll it does...

Seriously, there is no "pure" capitalism just as there is no "pure" socialism. Theoretically, we all generally want the same things, just in varying shades.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You've done it now...lol
I'm gonna start a thread. I'll link you.
Not urgent, though, just my curiousity.

The Baha'i position is simular to the JW, but a few key differences.

Regards Tony