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RF-Wide Political Compass

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Re-did it. Surprisingly, I moved significantly:

Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21

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Last time (about a year ago) I was on the authoritarian left, of all things. I feel like myself again...:D

So apparently this means I'm like Angela Merkel:
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, for one, I feel like that chart is an inaccurate model of politics.

It's more like a menorah with certain groupings to the right and left of each other but a continuum from left to right. When we say left-wing on that model we are talking more about the authoritarian-libertarian spectrum than the liberal-conservative spectrum. This also helps explain why the right keeps calling traditional conservatives "far right" when they are actually closer to the center. The farther left in this model, the more people wish for a government that rules every aspect of their lives, while farther right you go, the more people want to be left alone. This doesn't automatically make farthest right some virtuous ideal, having no government at all means you have to basically protect your freedom with a gun. Also, the further right you get, the more the menorah unifies. Where a stable state is, then, is closest to the center. I will include Islam here because they usually swing authoritarian with theocratic values far more than Christianity, but there are also very anarchic pockets.

Farthest left: Secular dictatorship/Theocratic absolute monarchy (the menorah goes left/right like that, with the right side having what would be called conservative vakues like religion and an upward-facing hierarchy (favors the rich/powerful over the poor)).
Very far left: Communist dictatorship/Foaming-at-the-mouth Islamic caliphate OR Fascist dictatorship (turns out we have two lovely options on the right here)
Far left: Secular socialism/Theocratic authoritarianism
Left: Current liberal-socialists (think AOC right now)/Current Muslims
Near left: Liberal-socialists 50 to 100 years ago/Bible-bashers (classic theocrats)
Middle: Classic democracy/centrism/"Far right" conservatives
Near right: Goat-herding anarchic Muslims (there are quite a few pockets in the world of Muslims that are remote enough to be more at the anarchic-reactionary end of this spectrum)/Reactionary Christian conservatives
Right: Libertarian (the real kind, not the "libertarians" who typically think they can legitimately be a party people can vote for)/Minarchists (there is a government, but it's bare bones, more like a town hall or bounty hunters)
Far right: Anarcho-capitalist (remember I said the further right you get, the more it unifies? Well, anarcho-communism isn't a thing, in order to have a communism they have to set up a state, the leftt/right difference here is whether you're a follower of Ayn Rand or some religious anarchism)
Farthest right: Might-makes-right anarchy

And that is why I say farthest right does not equal utopia? This is what I mean. Further, there is a bounceback effect, because a might-makes-right can very quickly turn into the farthest left if someone takes over everything. And why do I make this left to right? Because the classic far left sociakist thinks that the more government they have in their lives, the more people will take care of them. Actually, they will more lukely "take care of them" another way.

I'm a minarchist.

I think that the classic left-right spectrum is woefully incomplete at times, and it doesn't, in and of itself, define political systems or gauge political views in any detailed way. Just as with a compass, it might be able to tell you which way is north, but it won't be able to tell you what you'll find if go in that direction.

There are plenty of different ways one can categorize and classify political positions.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Yes, I know a lot of us despise this test for being badly worded, too US based, etc. but it is one of the best tools for the Staff to assess where our membership generally falls. I would be grateful if you could take it and then we will put the results on a crowd-chart to see where we all are in relation to each other. Staff are trying to figure some things behind the scenes right now and it would be good if as many people as possible could take part.


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Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.62

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

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Ciao

- viole
 
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Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Can we assume from this that you are top right? :oops:

No, you cannot.

Weren't you paying attention?

Bottom right. Strongly interested in small government that backs the **** off. Especially government that doesn't have an FCC to tell you not to say ****ity **** **** ****. Conservative =/= fascist.

Lexicon - Fascism and Communism/Socialism - ARI Campus

Fascism is just a rival gang, not a political opposite.

However this test skewed results based on its assumption.
It put me near the line ( "authoritarian" because I believe after seeing not one but two children who are completely not only wild, which is okay, but also lacking in respect for the rights of others, that yeaps children do have to be spanked to get them to understand where the limits of personal rights end) . It also skewed left, that is, it paints conservatives as heartless people that will sell their own children to the company. I answered several extremely loaded questions as strongly disagree , and despite me basically agreeing with that, they're like "you're only a little bit to right, and close to the line." In other words, it equates conservatism with authoritarianism , and the line actually goes mostly diagonally.
 
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Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Re-did it. Surprisingly, I moved significantly:

Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21

View attachment 43914
Last time (about a year ago) I was on the authoritarian left, of all things. I feel like myself again...:D

So apparently this means I'm like Angela Merkel:
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That's interesting. It's your economic views that seem to be the key. I'm intrigued how we differ on that :)
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No show...its just what we do.....political neutrality is what Jesus demonstrated when he was on the earth....we follow the Master. We can think whatever we like but we keep our opinions to ourselves.
I'm not so sure Jesus was politically neutral. He was after all crucified as a nonviolent resister against Rome. Surely at least, he spoke against oppression of the poor. That is speaking against systems that harm people. That is a view against politics and policies which are harmful to human welfare.

That aside however, you had said, "as a Christian, we have NO political affiliations....and no preferences." Now you are saying you do have opinions, but keep them to yourself. Yes of course you have political views. That's why I posted what I did, that everyone, including yourself has views on these things. Even if you choose to not be politically involved. You have just affirmed what I said is correct.
 
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Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
That's interesting. It's your economic views that seem to be the key. I'm intrigued how we differ on that :)
I noticed the test changed significantly since last time. There used to be a middle option when answering. And I didn't recognize a lot of the questions. I guess differently-worded questions make for different answers.

I nearly fell for the Marxist one because I both didn't understand the quote and didn't know who said it. Good thing I checked. :relieved:
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
I noticed the test changed significantly since last time. There used to be a middle option when answering. And I didn't recognize a lot of the questions. I guess differently-worded questions make for different answers.

I nearly fell for the Marxist one because I both didn't understand the quote and didn't know who said it. Good thing I checked. :relieved:
Interestingly, you, Tum and I all seem to be going up the same slope:

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I do actually mostly agree with the Marxist quote; but the test doesn't seem to take into account theory vs practice. Also, it asks you 'astrology accurately predicts many things; etc. on that part since the test is notoriously outdated and it was once believed that people who answered yes to those kinds of questions are more authoritarian. They're not. I also go for the hardcore answers on social issues questions, so when it says 'Mothers may have careers but their primary duty is to be homemakers' I tend to strongly agree, so maybe that makes me more authoritarian?
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
Interestingly, you, Tum and I all seem to be going up on the same slope:

I do actually mostly agree with the Marxist quote; but the test doesn't seem to take into account theory vs practice. Also, it asks you 'astrology accurately predicts many things; etc. on that part since the test is notoriously outdated and it was once believed that people who answered yes to those kinds of questions are more authoritarian. They're not. I also go for the hardcore answers on social issues questions, so when it says 'Mothers may have careers but their primary duty is to be homemakers' I tend to strongly agree, so maybe that makes me more authoritarian?

@stvdv... LOL. :D
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
No, you cannot.

Weren't you paying attention?

Bottom right. Strongly interested in small government that backs the **** off. Especially government that doesn't have an FCC to tell you not to say ****ity **** **** ****. Conservative =/= fascist.

Lexicon - Fascism and Communism/Socialism - ARI Campus

Fascism is just a rival gang, not a political opposite.

However this test skewed results based on its assumption.
It put me near the line ( "authoritarian" because I believe after seeing not one but two children who are completely not only wild, which is okay, but also lacking in respect for the rights of others, that yeaps children do have to be spanked to get them to understand where the limits of personal rights end) . It also skewed left, that is, it paints conservatives as heartless people that will sell their own children to the company. I answered several extremely loaded questions as strongly disagree , and despite me basically agreeing with that, they're like "you're only a little bit to right, and close to the line." In other words, it equates conservatism with authoritarianism , and the line actually goes mostly diagonally.
My mistake. :oops: I don't take such things that seriously. And anecdotal evidence is always the best, eh, what?
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Interestingly, you, Tum and I all seem to be going up the same slope:

I do actually mostly agree with the Marxist quote; but the test doesn't seem to take into account theory vs practice. Also, it asks you 'astrology accurately predicts many things; etc. on that part since the test is notoriously outdated and it was once believed that people who answered yes to those kinds of questions are more authoritarian. They're not. I also go for the hardcore answers on social issues questions, so when it says 'Mothers may have careers but their primary duty is to be homemakers' I tend to strongly agree, so maybe that makes me more authoritarian?
Perhaps it's recognising ones brothers, or sisters, that draws one to a forum like this - hence the numbers in the left quadrant - or they just post the most, perhaps have more confidence, or just can't find a better place to pursue their hobbies - whatever they might be. :oops:
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
but that doesn't make me a socialist, but according to the poll it does...
It makes you less for an unregulated market, which would be a 10. Not a socialist, but not with the abundance of trust many--such as Chicago School of Economics--would have have believing a corporation will act responsibly to protect their image and future profits.
Seriously, there is no "pure" capitalism just as there is no "pure" socialism.
The -10 and 10 are there for it, and it is my opinion you would have to wearing blinders of dogma or be radicalized to be there.
 
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