Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

[syo]

"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?

Regards

Help? What help?

 

[Milton Platt]

"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?

Regards

Depends upon who the "we" in the quote is supposed to apply to. For those who don't buy into that particular religion's dogma, it has no meaning or value whatsoever.

 

[paarsurrey]

Depends upon who the "we" in the quote is supposed to apply to. For those who don't buy into that particular religion's dogma, it has no meaning or value whatsoever.

"we"

There is no compulsion in the truthful Religion, therefore:

1. "We" are the Muslim believers of Allah and
2. Those we voluntarily want to benefit from Him whatever their Religion.
3. Those we believe there is a Being, whatever His proper name, who has four attributes :
   • Lord of all the worlds
     
   • The Gracious,
     
   • the Merciful,
     
   • Master of the Day of Judgment.

such person could pray in these terms from such Being.

G-d needs nothing, He is only the Giver.
Right, please?

Regards
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[2:257]لَاۤ اِکۡرَاہَ فِی الدِّیۡنِ ۟ۙ قَدۡ تَّبَیَّنَ الرُّشۡدُ مِنَ الۡغَیِّ ۚ فَمَنۡ یَّکۡفُرۡ بِالطَّاغُوۡتِ وَ یُؤۡمِنۡۢ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدِ اسۡتَمۡسَکَ بِالۡعُرۡوَۃِ الۡوُثۡقٰی ٭ لَا انۡفِصَامَ لَہَا ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ سَمِیۡعٌ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۲۵۷﴾
There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

 

[Milton Platt]

"we"

There is no compulsion in the truthful Religion, therefore:

1. "We" are the Muslim believers of Allah and
2. Those we voluntarily want to benefit from Him whatever their Religion.
3. Those we believe there is a Being, whatever His proper name, who has four attributes :
   • Lord of all the worlds
     
   • The Gracious,
     
   • the Merciful,
     
   • Master of the Day of Judgment.

such person could pray in these terms from such Being.

G-d needs nothing, He is only the Giver.
Right, please?

Regards

No Compulsion???
A Call to the Muslims of the World | Center for Inquiry

As I said, to those who do not believe your mythology and dogma, that passage has no meaning.

 

[paarsurrey]

No Compulsion???
A Call to the Muslims of the World | Center for Inquiry*

As I said, to those who do not believe your mythology and dogma, that passage has no meaning.

*"Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence?"
A Call to the Muslims of the World | Center for Inquiry

Yes, Ahmadiyya Peaceful Islam, does really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence:
Please Click> Huzoor's address at UNESCO
08/10/2019
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Address delivered by the Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (may Allah be his Helper) at UNESCO in France. Recorded on 8th October 2019.

Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Help? What help?

God's help.
No compulsion, please.

Regards

 

[syo]

God's help.
No compulsion, please.

Regards

When I ask 'what help', I mean, for example, I want to carry a heavy box but I can't. Do I ask for God's help???

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Science and Religions are complementary, one deals the physical, material and temporal aspects and the other deals the ethical,moral and spiritual aspects of human life. Both are needed by the humanity. Right, please?

Regards

Religion isn't needed.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is no compulsion in the truthful Religion.

There isn't?
Tell me, what does the quran have to say about what should happen to apostates?

 

[England my lionheart]

"Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "

Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language, and Muhammad obeyed it:
[6:57]قُلۡ اِنِّیۡ نُہِیۡتُ اَنۡ اَعۡبُدَ الَّذِیۡنَ تَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ ؕ قُلۡ لَّاۤ اَتَّبِعُ اَہۡوَآءَکُمۡ ۙ قَدۡ ضَلَلۡتُ اِذًا وَّ مَاۤ اَنَا مِنَ الۡمُہۡتَدِیۡنَ ﴿۵۷﴾
Say: ‘I am forbidden to worship those on whom you call beside Allah.’ Say: ‘I will not follow your evil inclinations. In that case, I shall become lost and I shall not be of the guided.’
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 6: Al-An`am
Right, please?

Regards



Is there any sentence in "Kitabe-i-Iqan" or "Book of Certitude"where G-d addressed Bahaullah with the word "say", please?
There cannot be any, I hold, as G-d never had any Converse directly with Bahaullah. Right, please?

Regards

How do you know?

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know?

Please elaborate as to what is in one's mind.
Sorry, I don't get one exactly, please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

There isn't?
Tell me, what does the quran have to say about what should happen to apostates?

What should happen to them, please?

Regards

 

[England my lionheart]

Please elaborate as to what is in one's mind.
Sorry, I don't get one exactly, please.

Regards

Your convinced your God spoke to muhammed without any proof why can't bahai?

 

[Muffled]

Well, I can't think why you'd say that's where "most people" are -- since more than two-thirds of the word are NOT Christian.

I believe Muslims have te Word of God also in the Qu'ran and others have at least some word to go by even if it isn't totally correct.

 

[Muffled]

Your convinced your God spoke to muhammed without any proof why can't bahai?

If a person says something that isn't true then none of what he said is reliable and Bahai's say that he said He was Jesus returned.

 

[Muffled]

"No, I have not read the entire Quran"

Please read/study the Quran, it is a systematic "Word of G-d" as is Nature a systematic "Wok of G-d", it is their system that convinces one beyond doubt that these are both authored by the same G-d.

Regards

I believe I don't find the Qu'ran systematic. It appears pretty random.

 

[England my lionheart]

If a person says something that isn't true then none of what he said is reliable and Bahai's say that he said He was Jesus returned.

So therein lies the problem,in both cases it's it's the word of a human.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe I don't find the Qu'ran systematic. It appears pretty random.

Has one studied Quran from cover to cover, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Your convinced your God spoke to muhammed without any proof why can't bahai?

I have read Kitab-i-Iqan or The Book of Certitude, Bahaullah did not claim in it that G-d spoke to him directly and also gave no reason as such. Bahaullah quoted no Word of Revelation in it in which he had been commanded with the word "say".
Right, please?
Muhammad had been commanded by G-d in other styles also:

[29:46]اُتۡلُ مَاۤ اُوۡحِیَ اِلَیۡکَ مِنَ الۡکِتٰبِ وَ اَقِمِ الصَّلٰوۃَ ؕ اِنَّ الصَّلٰوۃَ تَنۡہٰی عَنِ الۡفَحۡشَآءِ وَ الۡمُنۡکَرِ ؕ وَ لَذِکۡرُ اللّٰہِ اَکۡبَرُ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ یَعۡلَمُ مَا تَصۡنَعُوۡنَ ﴿۴۶﴾
Recite that which has been revealed to thee of the Book, and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil, and remembrance of Allah indeed is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 29: Al-`Ankabut
Right, please?

Regards

 

[England my lionheart]

I have read Kitab-i-Iqan or The Book of Certitude, Bahaullah did not claim in it that G-d spoke to him directly and also gave no reason as such. Bahaullah quoted no Word of Revelation in it in which he had been commanded with the word "say".
Right, please?
Muhammad had been commanded by G-d in other styles also:

[29:46]اُتۡلُ مَاۤ اُوۡحِیَ اِلَیۡکَ مِنَ الۡکِتٰبِ وَ اَقِمِ الصَّلٰوۃَ ؕ اِنَّ الصَّلٰوۃَ تَنۡہٰی عَنِ الۡفَحۡشَآءِ وَ الۡمُنۡکَرِ ؕ وَ لَذِکۡرُ اللّٰہِ اَکۡبَرُ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ یَعۡلَمُ مَا تَصۡنَعُوۡنَ ﴿۴۶﴾
Recite that which has been revealed to thee of the Book, and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil, and remembrance of Allah indeed is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 29: Al-`Ankabut
Right, please?

Regards

But we only have his word for it that he was comanded by your god,"say" doesn't make it true,same goes for any human that professes to be a prophet of a god.