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QAnon believers grapple with doubt, spin new theories as Trump era ends

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Cooky, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Cooky

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    Does anyone think that Qanan exists because of a lack of belief in G-d/religion..?

    I realize that not everyone here is from the United States, but in case you haven't heard, Qanon is basically conspiracy theories on steroids, and so I was curious how conspiracy theories relate to *faith* in general... Whether it’s from too much faith, or misguided faith, or lack thereof.

    Or perhaps someone here is apologetic towards Qanon, that would also be an interesting share.

    QAnon believers grapple with doubt, spin new theories as Trump era ends
     
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    It comes from someone who enjoys a lie, so they listen to an idea or invent one, then they put it forward as fact. Along with that there are people who don't have broad experience and so are prone to paranoid thoughts about things. Suppose I claim that the US generals are planning to...I don't know...rob Fort Knox. Suppose I mix in some truths, show you some flight ticket stubs of theirs going to the place where Fort Knox is, and suppose I say things to bring them into ill repute. That's a conspiracy theory. 1 You have no way to disprove what I've said. 2 I've shown you partial evidence and provided a story 3 Natural prejudice can do the rest.
     
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  3. Sunstone

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    These ideas are not part of an ideology, they are part of a pathology. Qanon's notions cannot be met effectively with reason. They're beyond that. If they are to be adequately answered, it's up to the psychiatrists and therapists to answer them.
     
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    Qanon was always propaganda. Probably paid for by Trump administration or the people that put him in power.

    QAnon does say some things that are true but with a Trump favorable spin of course. Q deceived a lot of truthers. People want to believe the pedos will be arrested and all that jazz.

    I knew it was controlled propaganda.
     
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    The pedos won't be arrested?
     
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    Very powerful people are involved around the world. They're basically untouchable from what I understand. Epstein's island ... not even scratching the surface.

    The fact that Epstein is dead under suspicious circumstances should have you questioning what lengths certain people would go to in order to keep their sins from being known. I mean to say that even if a president did want to arrest them then he'd probably end up like Kennedy or worse.

    The fact that Trump was once friends with Epstein should give people pause for suspicion when it comes to Qanonsense. The fact that other prominent American politicians and even royalty also were friends of his should really have people questioning things.
     
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    Epstein died while under arrest, didn’t you hear?
     
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    It seems kind of strange, especially after I read this part of the article:

    "A spiritual war against an elite cabal of child-eating Satanists who controlled Washington, Hollywood and the world"? Is that what they really believe, or is that just hyperbole?

    I can understand conspiracy theories and basic cynicism and mistrust in government and the political system. But I just see it as a part of human nature and human-derived systems of organization.

    As the saying goes, "Power corrupts," so it's a perfectly natural part of the human condition.

    I guess one reason it might be easy for people to believe that there's an elite cabal of child-eating Satanists is because, for most of human history, those are the kinds of people who end up being in charge. It's always been the 1% who have most of the wealth and power, while the rest are hapless peasants, living at the mercy of whatever "lord" happens to own them. I can't recall offhand if any of them ate children, although considering some of the methods of execution and the kinds of tortures and punishments they had back in the day, it's possible.

    That's how human societies have been ruled throughout most of history. It's what humanity has grown accustomed to over thousands of years. It's only been within the past few centuries that we've touted this idea of "freedom" and "democracy" and "human rights," which some see as pablum and bunkum for the masses. I think we've made some progress since the bad old days, but there's always a fear that we could revert back to an earlier form.

    Some might even argue that it's impractical and humanly impossible for a society to operate the "free and democratic way," largely due to the same human nature which makes this a dangerous world. That's why (it is argued) we "need" a large, permanent military establishment. That's why we "need" a CIA, NSA, FBI, and other such agencies in a poisoned bowl of alphabet soup. It's a dangerous world, and everybody is out to get us. At least that's how the argument is generally presented. It was a lot more heavy-handed and strident during the Cold War.

    Think of the long-term effects that could have on generations of Americans who have been raised and conditioned to think that the world is full of danger - Communists, fascists, terrorists, socialists, cartels, gangs, etc. A popular trope in our culture has been the "eve of destruction" or that we're somehow at the brink. You might hear people say things like "The whole country is going down the tubes" or "to hell in a handbasket."

    So, with a pervasive atmosphere of pessimism, cynicism, fear, and paranoia throughout the culture already, it's not that surprising that a few people might take it a step further, such as these QAnon people. But from what I can discern from this article, some appear to believe that they've been played, as if it was all a scam just to rip people off.
     
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    I agree... I heard in the radio today, that they were expecting Trump to show up and arrest Biden and Harris on inauguration day, for taking part in some child molestation ring.

    ...It's absolute insanity.
     
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  12. Cooky

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    They were totally scammed, and it's good that some have come to realize it... I just can't comprehend how people let themselves be duped by such a ridiculous sentiment as Qanan. It's sad.
     
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    **THREAD MOVED TO NORTH AMERICAN POLITICS**
     
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    How? Cooky. I wish it were not so easy. But all it takes to dupe people is scare them enough. If you can manage that -- which is child's play -- you can on to make them believe anything.

    That's the easiest technique, there are more difficult ones.
     
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    No. I don't have this belief and I don't believe this whacky nonsense.
    But, on the other hand, many Qanoners appear to be Christians.
    They actually do legit believe that. It even goes that some believe Trump was secretly working to take down Epstein.
     
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    I've read some materials (books, so I won't be able to provide links) that make a case that the people most likely to believe in conspiracy theories are themselves in positions of having (or having a perception of) little control in their life.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    My intuition is that it will become a new religion, much as the failed prophecies of the millerites spawned the seventh day adventists.
     
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    Humans first.

    Before civilization.
    Before greed.
    Before elite.
    Before science.
    Before religion.

    Just human equal humans.

    Basic information.

    The rest is just hypocrisy.
     
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    Uhh the conspiracy is that there are pedo satanists in office. Only religious people scapegoat satanists. So I doubt there are many anti theists or atheists among the Qanon peeps. Maybe some. But not sure what that has to do with QAnon existing.
    You could argue religions are themselves conspiracy theories. Just about the supernatural world
     
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    My sister has been a Trumper and claimed HArris and Biden were satanic child molesters that worshipped Satan to me.
     
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