Police behavior

[Curious George]

Well how much do we really know? I assume she was ask to leave and refused. They tried to escort her off the premises and she decided to struggle. They tried to ensure the safety of the child before forcibly removing her.

So how should they've gone about removing her from the premises?

If she was really being that obstinate they could have issued her several citations and left an officer on site to ensure safety. In short, I would rather waste an officer's time than risk severe injury to innocent bystanders.

 

[BSM1]

I don't need to know that. What set of facts justify this behavior?

Of course you need to know what led up to this confrontation. If you rush to judgement you become part of the problem. There was some reason why the police were called. If it was simply a matter of not sitting on the floor, or being asked to leave, then the woman should have complied. To assume the cops wanted to hurt the woman or the baby is insane. BTW, the cops were Black and female. There goes your "racist" argument.

 

[BSM1]

I know you're capable of intelligent posts. Try harder.

For many on here that wish to see things through an agenda, this is as intelligent as I need to be.

 

[BSM1]

If she was really being that obstinate they could have issued her several citations and left an officer on site to ensure safety. In short, I would rather waste an officer's time than risk severe injury to innocent bystanders.

What if she was threatening the workers with bodily harm? Should the police simply wish her a nice day and walk away?

 

[Father Heathen]

For many on here that wish to see things through an agenda, this is as intelligent as I need to be.

What agenda is that? That cops are public servants who are not above the laws they enforce and should be held accountable for corruption, incompetence, and misconduct?

 

[Revoltingest]

What happened in the 15 minutes prior to this and why were the police called in the first place?

I wondered the same.
Clearly, the situation was nasty, but I'm not prepared to judge anyone yet.

 

[Curious George]

Of course you need to know what led up to this confrontation. If you rush to judgement you become part of the problem. There was some reason why the police were called. If it was simply a matter of not sitting on the floor, or being asked to leave, then the woman should have complied.

I agree she should have complied. Not sure how that justifies this level of force.

To assume the cops wanted to hurt the woman or the baby is insane.

I am not assuming the cops wanted to hurt anyone.

BTW, the cops were Black and female. There goes your "racist" argument.

Lol, what makes you think I have a "racist" argument?

 

[YmirGF]

The mother seems to be using her child as a shield and is refusing to comply. The cops shouldn't have escalated it to a point of fighting over the child. The mother and office should have been isolated forcing a non-violent standoff as an infant was involved in a non-violent way (IE the child was not threatened with harm). Bad mother, worse cops in my view.

I'm tending towards this too. Police training is an ongoing issue because police are people like everybody else. The more (expensive) training, the better, as most officers can handle unpredictable situations better after relevant training. Without the training, you have Average Judy and Joe (with a gun ) face unusual incidents and they will go with their instincts rather than hands on experience the training affords. I could be wrong....

Wow, we almost completely agree. I would only add that the officials at the agency should have tried to address the situation peacefully prior to dragging police into the situation. This is a little bit of an assumption on my part, I am not sure what steps they did take. Too often people jump to call the police and it is hard for me to imagine that this is not a situation like that.

Thanks for reminding me. Why on earth would you call the cops just because some person sat down on the floor in your waiting room? That's not even approaching reasonable. So, there has to be a tiny bit more to the first part of this story.

 

[Curious George]

What if she was threatening the workers with bodily harm? Should the police simply wish her a nice day and walk away?

No, at that point they should have evacuated the office and taken steps to ensure the workers and the child's safety.

 

[Curious George]

I wondered the same.
Clearly, the situation was nasty, but I'm not prepared to judge anyone yet.

Again, what set of facts would justify this level of force?

 

[Revoltingest]

I think others use this type of humor as a coping mechanism instead of addressing reality.

Sometimes it doesn't work.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, what set of facts would justify this level of force?

Good question.
But not knowing them, I'm withholding judgement for the moment.

 

[Curious George]

Good question.
But not knowing them, I'm withholding judgement for the moment.

So you know of no reasonably believable set of facts that would justify rhis level of force?

 

[Revoltingest]

So you know of no reasonably believable set of facts that would justify rhis level of force?

You'd be amazed at how little I know.
I can always venture an opinion later,
when I know more.

 

[Curious George]

Thanks for reminding me. Why on earth would you call the cops just because some person sat down on the floor in your waiting room? That's not even approaching reasonable. So, there has to be a tiny bit more to the first part of this story.

Well, I imagine the peron sat down in an inconvenient position and refused to move unless they provided her with a chair. She didn't comply with the offices requests or demands so they told her to leave and she still refused.

Now that is speculation, but again what we do know is that a citizen that did nothing wrong was physically endangered by police use of force.

 

[Curious George]

You'd be amazed at how little I know.
I can always venture an opinion later,
when I know more.

I am amazed that people refuse to venture an opinion based on some theoretical fact that they do not know, when they cannot even suggest a hypothetical set of facts that would justify this level of force.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am amazed that people refuse to venture an opinion based on some theoretical fact that they do not know, when they cannot even suggest a hypothetical set of facts that would justify this level of force.

I'm dismayed by those who venture opinions without much consideration.

 

[Shad]

I'm tending towards this too. Police training is an ongoing issue because police are people like everybody else. The more (expensive) training, the better, as most officers can handle unpredictable situations better after relevant training. Without the training, you have Average Judy and Joe (with a gun ) face unusual incidents and they will go with their instincts rather than hands on experience the training affords. I could be wrong....

Some of the US problems with policing are due their own systems along with internal investigations. It is not merely a problem of training but accountability.

 

[Curious George]

I'm dismayed by those who venture opinions without much consideration.

Well we are given some facts. Your reservation of judgement amounts to an assertion that there is some set of facts that would alter your judgement on whether these police officers handled tje situation appropriately. Curious part is, that you can not offer me any set of facts that would justify this use of force.

So either we have enough facts to make a determination about the appropriate level of force, or we do not. If you are saying we do not, I would anticipate that you can at least explain your reasoning. But you cannot. How does that make any sense?

 

[BSM1]

No, at that point they should have evacuated the office and taken steps to ensure the workers and the child's safety.

Or remove the threat....