My thoughts on the Romney’s Income Tax Returns and other points. Any rebuke

[Revoltingest]

Yet again just another glaring example why anecdotal evidences and testimonials only make for pleasant campfire storytelling...

When presented with an unusual opinion proffered as fact, one which conflicts with what I see among all the families of all my workers, associates,
tenants, etc, it makes sense to ask for the basis of her claim. Personal experience might not prove much, but it should raise one's BS alarm at times.

Might I challenge you to actually answer your own question with a little added effort on your part, and perhaps report back to us with those numbers?

No. Tis her claim, & I ask for evidence which she would presumably already know of. But if the claim is unsupportable, then she would know that immediately,
yet I would have to do an exhaustive & fruitless search. Thus, my approach far more efficient than yours, & illustrates why it's standard to support a claim
one makes. Besides, Alceste is a an old hand here, & fully capable of taking offense at my queries on her own. You needn't usurp her fun.

 

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Joe? Is that you? I guess we will put you all back in chains, right?

We all know the Dem's would never use fear tactics in this election right? Pushing grandma over the cliff and all.

I guess when you have 4 years of failed policies, that is all that is left to run on.

Well, perhaps short term memory loss is a conservative principle of conservation of energy…

1. "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." —Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care reform plan, Aug. 7, 2009 (Source)

2. "To our seniors, I have a message for you: you're going to die sooner." –Sen. Tom Coburn (R- Okla.), on what will happen if health care reform passes, Dec. 1, 2009 (Source)

3. "If ObamaCare passes, that free insurance card that’s in people’s pockets is gonna be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states — the Great War of Yankee Aggression." –Rep. Paul Broun (R- Ga.), March 18, 2010 (Source)

4. "Baby Killer!" -Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas), shouting at Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) as he spoke on the House floor during the health care vote. Stupak had led a group of pro-life Democrats who fought to change language in the bill to prevent federal funds from being used for abortions, but ended opposition after reaching a last-minute deal with President Obama, March 21, 2010 (Source)

5. "They intend to vote on the Sabbath, during Lent, to take away the liberty that we have right from God. This is an affront to God." –Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), interview with Glenn Beck, March 18, 2010 (Source)

6. "Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly." –Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), summing up the Republican health care plan (Source)

7. "Obama's got a health care logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook … Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate." —Rush Limbaugh, Aug. 6, 2009 (Source)

8. "You have three people in the White House that are in love with eugenics or whatever it is you would call it today. … Please dear God, read history. Please dear God read the truth of what these people have said in their own words, and ask yourself this one question: Do you trust these people enough to give them control over who lives and who dies? Because that's what health care is when you have no other choice but to go to the state." —Glenn Beck, comparing health care reform to Nazi eugenics (Source)

9. "We should not have a government program that determines if you're going to pull the plug on grandma." —Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Aug. 12, 2009 (Source)

10. "That's why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress, and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions." —Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a pro-lifer who completely missed the irony of using the same slogan as the pro-choice movement (Source)

Well, thank goodness the radical right teabaggers can maintain a more even tone and hope filled agenda…

Let me tell you what is ignorant. When you have the majority in the House and Senate with the President in waiting with a rubber stamp and can't pass a single payer health care system. Then after not one Republican votes for the health care bill, you blame them because you had to compromise?

Tell you what. I know I favor elimination of the Senate “rules” that now mandate a “Supermajority” (60+ votes) to even invoke cloture, much less prevent filibuster threats that stall any and all meaningful legislation of any sort. I support elimination of the extra-constitutional Senate rules, regardless of which party represents the majority. Do you? If elections are indeed to have consequences, then perhaps more people might be inclined to actually go vote

Blame the Republicans! Blame George W. Bush!

I don’t blame House and Senate Republicans for Obama’s efforts to seek common ground and compromise…I blame them for seeking NO grounds of conciliation or compromise of any kind, even when the proposals were ones they previously endorsed and promoted only a few moths prior.

It’s fairly necessary to recall that the notion of a “personal (financial) responsibility” in making universal access of healthcare affordable to all was a mainstay of conservative philosophy and policy by old school communist liberals like Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, amongst quite a few other socialists and anti-constitutionalists way back in the 1990’s and as recently as 2007...
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Consumer Choice Health Security Act of 1994 (1993; 103rd Congress S. 1743) - GovTrack.us
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Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News
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Santorum Supported Individual Health Insurance Mandate In 1994 Republican Primary | ThinkProgress
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Using Tax Credits to Create an Affordable Health System

When is your messiah going to take responsibility for anything?

He may blame the Myans for TEOTWAWKI, ya never know…

 

[Revoltingest]

And that's why you won't me asserting that Obama never cheated in school.
I'm not saying that Romney did cheat on his taxes (I have no idea); I'm saying that esmith is using bad logic when he argues that just because the IRS didn't have him charged for tax evasion, we can be sure he never cheated.
Edit: and as has been pointed out, the IRS' amnesty program means we can't even say that the lack of tax evasion charges means that the IRS never became aware of anything. We still have three possibilities, none of which can be excluded based on the evidence at hand:
- he never did anything wrong on his taxes
- he fudged his taxes, but the IRS never found out
- he fudged his taxes, he disclosed it to the IRS, and they settled it out-of-court under their amnesty program
(note: I recognize that "he never did anything wrong on his taxes" is still one of the possible explanations)

Note: There is no time limitation for fraud. The IRS may open a case if they wish.
It's as safe to presume Willard committed no material crime as it is to presume
the same for Barry regarding his Chicago political dealings. Neither was caught.
They're equally not guilty.

 

[Alceste]

When presented with an unusual opinion proffered as fact, one which conflicts with what I see among all the families of all my workers, associates,
tenants, etc, it makes sense to ask for the basis of her claim. Personal experience might not prove much, but it should raise one's BS alarm at times.

No. Tis her claim, & I ask for evidence which she would presumably already know of. But if the claim is unsupportable, then she would know that immediately,
yet I would have to do an exhaustive & fruitless search. Thus, my approach far more efficient than yours, & illustrates why it's standard to support a claim
one makes. Besides, Alceste is a an old hand here, & fully capable of taking offense at my queries on her own. You needn't usurp her fun.

Here's the democrats' evidence:

The issue of claims surfaced recently in California. The state Nurses Association issued a press release saying that data it obtained from the Web site of the state's Department of Managed Health Care showed that in just the first half of 2009, California's six largest HMOs had rejected more than 31 million claims -- 21 percent of those they had received.

In Health Care, Number Of Claims Denied Remains A Mystery

And one from one of your ignorant right wing goofballs just to show I'm "fair and balanced":

Deny This: Guess Who Has the Highest Medical Claim Rejection Rate? | NewsBusters.org

(Please note that your right wing goofballs' argument is completely invalid: universal health care rejects nobody's claim for medically necessary health care, ever. Because it's universal.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's the democrats' evidence:

The issue of claims surfaced recently in California. The state Nurses Association issued a press release saying that data it obtained from the Web site of the state's Department of Managed Health Care showed that in just the first half of 2009, California's six largest HMOs had rejected more than 31 million claims -- 21 percent of those they had received.

In Health Care, Number Of Claims Denied Remains A Mystery

And one from one of your ignorant right wing goofballs just to show I'm "fair and balanced":

Deny This: Guess Who Has the Highest Medical Claim Rejection Rate? | NewsBusters.org

(Please note that your right wing goofballs' argument is completely invalid: universal health care rejects nobody's claim for medically necessary health care, ever. Because it's universal.)

It's very nice of you to present so much information, but I didn't ask about claim rejection.
I asked about your contention that people had their insurance cancelled when they got sick.
(And those were your right wing goofballs....they had your monogram on their jackets.)

For convenience, here is your post & my question....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alceste
Health care reform. Now your insurance company can't take your money for years, then cancel your coverage as soon as you get sick. Believe it or not, some extremely stupid Americans think that's a bad thing. Bad enough that he lost his majority in the next election.

Of all the people I know, not one has ever lost health care insurance upon getting really sick.
How common is what you claim?

 

[Alceste]

It's very nice of you to present so much information, but I didn't ask about claim rejection.
I asked about your contention that people had their insurance cancelled when they got sick.
(And those were your right wing goofballs....they had your monogram on their jackets.)

For convenience, here is your post & my question....

As a person who lives in a country with universal health care, having your insurance company refuse to cover your medical expenses after years of paying in is indistinguishable from having them cancel your policy. Either way, they're happy to take your money, but there's no guarantee they'll pay for your health care in return.

 

[Alceste]

Blue Cross praised employees who dropped sick policyholders, lawmaker says - Los Angeles Times

For you, Rev. Enjoy!