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"My Son is Gay"

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Ardhanariswar, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. modernmoonlight

    modernmoonlight Seriously Ridiculous

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    Hey you Christian fundamentalists, did you ever think that homosexuality is natural? I have many gay friends and they all function well in society. And so Betty didn't have to see two men making out on tv at her son's age, do you think anyone really enjoys watching a woman and a man make out all the time ever? NO! Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality and just like the latter, the former has been around since the beginning of the human race. The problem with Christianity is that you all refuse to believe that the earth has been in existence for its true lifetime. Maybe you should open your eyes and realize that there are people who are different from you, and that they, in no way threatening your precious existence in a bubble. Open your eyes are realize that it was close minded people like yourselves that allowed for slavery to continue and that it is wrong and unnatural to oppress a group of people because they behave differently. And further, no one has proof as to what happens after death. In all possibility, there is no eternal life and we're just like everything else on earth--we decompose and grow into weeds. Or there is eternal life, in which case all closet gays would be damned for lying so much in their lives. I hope Bobby can stand up to his mother, tell her to open her close-minded eyes and realize that her son is not filth.
     
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  2. Francine

    Francine Well-Known Member

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    Not me, I'm going to be buried vertically and have an apple tree planted over me. When I decompose, I will grow into apples.
     
  3. rheff78

    rheff78 I'm your huckleberry.

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    Ummm, no. It never occured to me and it never will. if God had wanted homosexuality to be ok, he would have created Adam and Andrew, not Adam and Eve.
     
  4. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    Is your opinion on the morality of homosexuality contingent on a literal interpretation of Genesis?

    If you were confronted by evidence that convinced you to adopt an interpretation of Genesis that was more allegorical/metaphorical/poetic rather than literal, would this also cause you reconsider your stance of homosexuality?
     
  5. Don Penguinoini

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    People evolve into different forms, maybe for some beings homosexuality is a different form of LOVE for them. LOVE conquers all?
     
  6. Autodidact

    Autodidact Intentionally Blank

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    But He did create Adam. And Andrew. And Bill and Ali and Pedro and Huan Yin. Also Amelia, Joan, Kim, Estella and Fatima and everyone else in the world, including the gay people, and who are you to criticize Him?
     
  7. Don Penguinoini

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    Dont forget scared Sanjay :D
     
  8. Don Penguinoini

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    I have a simple view on homosexuality, whatever happens, happens for the best.
     
  9. rheff78

    rheff78 I'm your huckleberry.

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    But there is none, nor will there ever be. So, it's a moot point.
     
  10. rheff78

    rheff78 I'm your huckleberry.

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    But not together.
     
  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    In a literal interpretation of Genesis, God didn't create Adam and Eve together either. He created Adam, then later on made Eve.

    Also, God didn't make Adam or Eve as doctors, lawyers, artists, geotechnical engineers or clergy. If Adam and Eve are intended to be our model of how we should be, are these professions "unnatural" or immoral along with homosexuality?

    Actually, there's plenty of evidence* against a literal Genesis. The question isn't whether it exists, it's whether you find the evidence compelling.



    *i.e. in the same sense as in a criminal trial:
    - witness testimony is evidence, but you could potentially decide that the witness is lying.
    - forensic trace is evidence, but you could potentially decide that it was planted.
    - lack of an alibi is evidence, but you can conclude that, by itself, it's not sufficient to support the conclusion that the accused did the crime.

    In the same way, there is evidence for virtually every opinion... it's a matter of how we weigh the balance of evidence for and against a particular opinion. Just because we decide on one side of an issue doesn't mean there's no support at all for the other side.

    Edit: hang on - rheff, your user info says you're Catholic; AFAIK, the Vatican's position on Genesis is that it can be interpretted allegorically, as long as at some point in the past in the evolutionary tree, humans descended from a single male-female pair (which actually has its own problems biologically, but that's a separate issue). It seems like you're arguing that anything other than a literal interpretation of Genesis is wrong. Do you actually disagree with the Church's stance on this issue?
     
  12. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    No, absolutely correct. He also didn't create the Chinese,Africans and Europeans together either. If that's your argument, then apparently god also loathes a multi-cultural society and segregation was his preference.
    Ooh, am I going to hell because I live next door to a Maori?! :eek:

    Let's look at this sensibly, shall we? No God with a basic understanding of the human reproductive system is going to sit two gay blokes down in a garden and say,'Go forth and multiply.' Why is this? Because we're assuming that intelligent first cause isn't a complete cretin.It's unfortunate that the same can't be said for all of his followers, however you can't have everything, I suppose.
    This isn't to say that he has any objections to people not reproducing, as is evidenced by the number of celibate clergy not struck down by lightning on a daily basis, it's just impossible to get the human race started with two people of the same sex, when sexual reproduction is required. You also have no idea whether God actually created Adam and Eve bisexual and they just didn't have opportunity to form a relationship with someone of the same sex because there wasn't anyone. (Oh, except those people their sons married, but let's not spoil a good creation story with a glaring stuff up)
     
  13. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Funny you should say that. I used to work with a guy who's boyfriend loathed seafood. His stance was that if God had meant him to eat fish, he'd have been born straight. His is funnier than yours, cos he didn't treat it as a valid argument.
     
  14. Autodidact

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    Wait a minute. Are you telling me that you actually believe that all the people in the world are descended from a single man and woman who lived in a Garden in Mesopotamia 6000 years ago, and got Yahweh angry by eating the wrong fruit after discussing the situation with a snake???? *backs away slowly, making no sudden movements or disturbing noises*
     
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  15. JamBar85

    JamBar85 Master Designer

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    I don't know where we are on this topic now but frubals for a quality comment.

    It's pretty much my own thought but more importantly it made me laugh my pant's off.
     
  16. modernmoonlight

    modernmoonlight Seriously Ridiculous

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    Penguino, you're totally right, but I think you forget. rheff probably doesn't believe in evolution either since he doesn't believe in gays.

    Is the existence of gay people not enough evidence to overturn your viewpoint on the 'inherent wrongness' of homosexuality?
     
  17. rheff78

    rheff78 I'm your huckleberry.

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    There are also murderers and rapists. What's your point?
     
  18. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    so incest is moral? great!... wait a minute, doesn't the Bible prohibit incest? guess we shall just ignore that contradiction.
     
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  19. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    And God would have created more than one couple if he didn't want people to marry their brothers and sisters. Of course, you can marry your first cousins, like Isaac and Jacob, or your half-sister, like Abraham, but the story of Adam and Eve shows us that God intended people to marry their full-siblings. Adam and Eve make everything so clear.
     
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  20. Don Penguinoini

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    That was great... FRUABALS!
     
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