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Featured Let’s talk about the Bible

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Vee, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. savagewind

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    There are Jehovah's Witnesses who will not even attend a wedding in a church.
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Huh?

    Jesus was a Jew operating from a Jewish paradigm as early Christianity basically was a sect of Judaism at its beginning but gradually drifted in another direction over time.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Yes, I know that, much like a JW couple across the street from us wouldn't go to a funeral mass for a neighbor next to them that they've known for over 40 years. To me, that and some other things they do and do not do, qualifies them as a "cult", especially since they put far more faith in their leaders than in Jesus or the Bible itself.

    But what is most anti-Christian is their "my way or the highway" approach that claims that they somehow are the only branch that knows the "Truth", thus teaching that it's OK to judge others even though Jesus and Paul taught not to do as such.
     
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    We’re not talking about what Daniel revealed, but what Daniel was told to shut up, remember?

    You are still confusing words and scroll with “hidden meanings.” We’ve been through this before, remember? It was just a few posts ago.

    Now I begin to appreciate why the Watchtower engages in constant repetition, issue after issue, over and over again. It’s the only way they can assure their members “get it”…at least until they change whatever it was they threw at them again.

    Read Daniel 12:4. Tell us which word or words you believe equate to “hidden meanings”. Also, please tell us where your teachers found the scroll Daniel was told to seal.

    Wow! So you and your Organization had no idea that horns could mean kingdoms until these “last days”???

    Did anyone bother to read Daniel 7:24? If they had, they may have received a rather subtle clue:


    As for the ten horns,
    out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,
    and another shall arise after them;
    he shall be different from the former ones,
    and shall put down three kings.​

    Did you Organization notice the clue in the passage above, or did they assume that if they didn’t notice Daniel 7:24 until the "last days" then no one else did either?
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and His last Supper .....the Passover

    and He took the bread and wine.....gave to His disciples and said.....
    Do this in memory of Me

    the Passover was a tribute and remembrance of Moses

    the Carpenter took it for His own

    NOT very Jewish
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    of course you COULD say.......
    He was speaking of discussion at every meal

    not that particular yearly event
     
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    They both have each other.
     
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    Babylon the great is about to fall, and only the JW teachers know its reality. Once it falls--the door is locked.
     
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    Ifs mean nothing. Reality is what matters.
     
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    Yes Jesus came to save the Israelites--They rejected him, sent him to his death--God cut them off( Matt 23:37-39)-- A new religion began= spiritual Israel.
     
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    Anyone who reads the bible can clearly see cathoicism is far removed from God and his son. There was never a trinity god in existence. Catholicism was foretold-2Thess 2:3)
     
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    Wow are you thick.

    None of it is understood without HS leading the real teachers that belong to Jesus. Obvious--seal up this book( scroll) means--hidden truths to be revealed in the last days.
     
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    What he did was to take an established ritual and rework it, which does have other precedence in Judaism. Passover, namely "Pesach" in Hebrew, comes from the lambing that eventually was altered, not to commemorate Moses but to remember and relive the liberation from Egypt that Moses obviously was instrumental in facilitating..

    Certainly not everything that involved Jesus had direct links to Judaism, but nevertheless that was the base that it evolved from. Some feel and felt that the early church went too far in splitting from Judaism, and also some felt that Jesus would not likely have approved of all the changes that would occur, and an example of this element were the Ebionites that believed in Jesus but still retained Jewish Law. They felt that Paul went too far, which appears to have led to friction between James and Paul.

    But either way, Jesus definitely was a Jew who largely operated from a Jewish paradigm based on early Judaism.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Then you believe Jesus lied about leading his church until the end of time. OK, if that's what you believe, so be it.
     
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    nay.....

    the rel split took place when the Pharisees came asking......
    Have you come to abolish the law (as per Moses)?

    no....I have come to fulfill it
    then He quoted heathen law......written a thousand years before He walked
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

    He was looking the Pharisees in the eye when He said it

    and they sought His death from that hour forward
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    It appears that you don't likely understand what "fulfill" probably meant in context since no one can "fulfill" the Law unless they follow it 100% and never make any mistakes. However, there's another way "fulfill" could have been used that could work. Interested?

    That is not the "heathen law" as it was the basis of Judaism itself.
    Maybe some did, but the Pharisees would only have a problem with blasphemy that could warrant a death penalty, plus they were not in a position to issue it anyway even if Jesus had violated that Law.

    It would help if you understood early Judaism better versus drawing conclusions without having that education. Jesus worked from a Jewish paradigm and it's obvious that you have not spent time studying that, so let me recommend that you don't take yourself too seriously on this.
     
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    Fact-- The word church did not exist when the bible was written, Thus a translating error by Catholicism. Congregation is the correct translating.Thus Jesus was telling the true followers he would be with them, not with the building. A church is a building, The congregation is the flock. Jesus wasn't with the building he was with his flock. It was foretold--thegreat apostasy would arise( 2Thess 2:3) or truth would never come back. The religion that came out of Rome is that great apostasy. And all of its branches.
     
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    Matthew is the only gospel to use the term church.

    The Church is the people who make up the Body of Christ.
     
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    LOL, I was expecting the personal attack would come at any time.

    Is this something they taught you in Ministry school? A last desperate gambit when all else fails?

    I think our discussion is over KJW. After all, I do have a tag line I'm trying to uphold.

    When you can actually answer any of the questions asked let us know.:)
     
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    Do you not realize that what is now referred to the 'golden rule' was also stated by Rabbi Hillel? Do you believe the good rabbi would quote a 'heathen law'?
     
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