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Featured Let’s talk about the Bible

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Vee, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. Vee

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    “HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS WILL BY NO

    MEANS PASS AWAY.” Matthew 24:35 NKJV

    Independently of people’s individual beliefs, it is undeniable that the Bible has an incredible story.

    It was written over a period of at least 1,600 years by more than 40 writers from all walks of life. Some were fishermen; some were politicians. Others were generals or kings, shepherds or historians. They were from three different continents, and wrote in three different languages. They wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects yet they wrote with agreement and harmony.

    But the most amazing fact about the bible is the way it survived. Most of our ancient literature has been lost due to the corrosion or destruction of the materials on which they were preserved. The Bible however, exists not only in its entirety, but in a well-preserved form, despite many efforts to destroy it.


    - About 600 B.C. Jehoiakim, attempted to destroy the Word of God, but miserably failed. (Jeremiah. 36:21-32).

    - In 175 BC the king of Syria, Antiochus Epiphanes, ordered the Jews, on pain of death, to destroy their Scriptures and worship the Greek gods. But Judas Maccabaeus saved the books and led a revolt that won independence for the Jewish nation. (Today, Jews celebrate this event at Hanukkah.)

    - In 64 A.D. Emperor Nero not only tried to wipe out the Bible, but anyone who professed Christ. He blamed them for the burning of Rome (which, he did himself) and ordered their mass execution.

    - In 303 A.D. the Roman Emperor, Diocletian waged a horrible onslaught against the Bible. Every manuscript that could be found was destroyed. Thousands, including entire families who owned any of these were martyred.

    - Jerome, in 405 A.D. completed a Latin translation of the Bible. In spite of being persecuted, Jerome’s translation lived through the Dark Ages. Anglo-Saxon translations of parts of Scripture, particularly the Gospel accounts appeared in England in the 7th & 8th centuries. In 1379 John Wycliffe along with chosen scholars translated the Latin Bible into English. By 1383, thousands of copies of the Wycliffe Bible were in the hands of the English. People who owned these Bibles were hunted down and killed.

    - In 1524 William Tyndale resolved to put the Bible into the English of his time and distribute it throughout the nation. But, this being contrary to English law, Tyndale had to leave England for Europe. Printing began in Cologne. Tyndale was apprehended and imprisoned. In 1536 he was strangled and burned at the stake.

    - In 1546 the Roman Catholic Council of Trent placed any printing of religious literature, including translations of the Bible, under the control of the church. Any who wanted to read the Bible were told to obtain written permission from bishops or inquisitors—not an appealing prospect for those who wanted to remain above suspicion of heresy. People who dared to possess or distribute Bibles in the common languages of their region had to contend with the ire of the Catholic Church. Many were arrested, burned at the stake, roasted on spits, sentenced to life in prison, or sent to the galleys. Confiscated Bibles were burned

    - French humanist, Voltaire, (1700) boastfully proclaimed, "one hundred years from now the world will hear no more of the Bible." Yet, in the year of his boast, the British museum purchased a manuscript of the Greek New Testament for $500,000 while the first edition of Voltaire's new book sold for eight cents a copy! Furthermore, fifty years after the death of Voltaire, Bibles were being printed by the Geneva Bible Society in the very house where Voltaire lived and on his own printing press!

    - Even after the Reformation commenced and Bible societies were formed the Catholic Church classified them with Socialism and Communism. On December 8, 1866, Pope Pius IX made this amazing statement: "Socialism, Communism, clandestine societies, Bible societies....pests of this sort must be destroyed by all means."

    Despite so much opposition, the Bible not only survived, it thrived.

    The Bible has been translated into over 2000 languages. No other book even comes close.

    With estimated total sales of over 5 billion copies, the Bible is widely considered to be the best-selling book of all time. It sells approximately 100 million copies annually, and has been a major influence on literature and history.


    Some references:
    25 Fascinating Facts About the Dead Sea Scrolls @ Century One Bookstore
    The Write Journey: How Has the Bible Survived?
    The Evidence Bible
    https://answersingenesis.org/the-word-of-god/the-preservation-of-the-bible/
    http://thoughtsacrossthegardengate.com/miracle-of-survival-of-the-bible.php
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002893?q=time+bible+writing&p=par
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
     
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  2. Kemosloby

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    Very nicely done. Interesting point that it was Tyndale that actually translated the bible in common language, not Martin Luther as they like to give credit to. Probably some sort of conspiracy there. They burned Tyndale at the stake and presented Martin Luther to try to control the fire Tyndale started.
     
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  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    Yours, not mine -- unless, of course, you're simply being dismissive.
     
  4. Jayhawker Soule

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    ... and just what do you wish to debate?
     
  5. Vee

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    I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Could you please explain?
     
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    From Wikipedia: Torah ...

    The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 600 BCE), based on earlier written and oral traditions, which could only have arisen from separate communities within ancient Israel,[citation needed] and that it was completed by the period of Achaemenid rule (c. 400 BCE). The 1979 discovery of fragments of the Hebrew Bible (Priestly Blessing from the Book of Numbers) at Ketef Hinnom dating to the late 7th century BC, and thus to before the Babylonian captivity, is the oldest evidence of elements of the Torah which were current before the Babylonian exile.​

    For Jews, your 1600 years is off by roughly a millennium.
     
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  7. Jumi

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    You could add some text about how the Biblical Canon was formed (there really was no "Christian Bible" to suppress on some dates on your list) and how other texts not accepted by authority were suppressed to establish the dominance of the accepted texts. For a fact, most Christians during 1500+ years hadn't read the Bible, it was only small groups that often were suppressed and killed that did read it including the Cathar.
     
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  8. Faithofchristian

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    You know alot of your saying here is True.

    Alot of this is still being done even to day, people trying to discredit or destroy the scriptures.
    And God still in defending his word.
    People are putting out all kinds of bibles trying to over shadow God's word, Put still God's word prevails.

    Out of all the Bibles being put out.

    The KJV 1611, is still the number one bible to have since 1611 when it was first put out and still is the number one bible to have.

    Therefore God is still in control over his word and in defending it and preserving his word.
     
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    Never heard Martin Luther given credit for that, though I was taught Church history from Lutheran perspective. Though he is and was given credit for many things he wasn't and didn't do.
     
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    I like your beginning Bible quote for one single reason. It is uncommonly misused and misapplied in so many cases by both believers and unbelievers. :(

    I am nearly sure that there is going to be disagreement on this issue. :)
     
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    Very good idea. I think that deserves a separate thread. I'm familiar with the story but I need to do some extra research for the dates and specific facts.
     
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    Disagreement powers debate. Let's see how that goes :)
     
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    You know the bible is the most talk about book on a wide range of books to be discussed.than any other books.
    But yet the Scriptures has been Preserved for Thousands of years. But still is the most talk about book for over 3 to 4 thousand years.
     
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    the KJV is not the same transliteration as the NWT that was finalized and release in 1961.

    There are actually 12 recognized canons of the bible from 3 traditions.

    as another poster posted, what is it you're debating?
     
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    I find one aspect remarkable....
    no matter who reads it.....the effect will be unique
     
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    The survival of the Bible against all odds. Isn't it incredible that it still exists despite so much opposition?
     
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    not really. considering there are many books that have survived across the ages.

    Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Vedas, The Egyptian Book of the Coming Forth of Day, et al.
     
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    Cool. Vedas is older, longer, written by thousands of seers and followed by a billion people and influencing the thoughts and ideas of 500 million more folks of dharmic religions.

    Also the four books and five classics that continue to be vastly influential for all nations of East Asia.
    Four Books and Five Classics - Wikipedia

    Also free distribution is not selling.
     
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  19. Faithofchristian

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    Yeah, it just goes to show that God is still in control over his word, for the pass 3 to 4 thousand years.
     
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    It seems that in the process of writing the OP that you didn't mention the battles between Protestants that led to some nasty wars and persecutions, plus the fact that Luther wanted to drop some books from the Bible and that he was also highly anti-Semitic and wanted a forced conversion of Jews or their removal one way or another. Calvin, much the same. Etc.

    IOW, the OP piles hot coals on the CC, which are deserved imo, but seems to whitewash what happened within Protestant circles that also has to include the use of genocide against Amerindians, forced conversions, etc. Here in Michigan, Protestants tried to stop Catholic priests from even teaching Amerindians a written language based on their own language.
     
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