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Jesus was in union with God...can we be also?

r2d2009

Member
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The spiritual seeker necessarily has to learn to communicate easily with the Holy Spirits: to see, to hear Them, hug and merge with Them. How else is it possible to take the place among Them?
But to do this, we must, first, pass a series of consecutive steps of our own development.
First — to receive, explore, and pursue the knowledge of God and of one’s own personal role in His Evolution.
Second — to immediately begin one’s own ethical cleansing, orienting on the principles that God offers us.
Purity is to be absolute in everything: in deeds, in words, in thoughts, and in emotions. In all this, it is necessary to try to exclude anything that might hurt someone.
Our thoughts generate emotions. Therefore, one should keep track of one’s own thoughts, avoiding negative mental dominants. Noticing incorrect trends in one’s own mental processes, one must make the reorientation of thinking — to the positive theme. Mastering the art of psychical self-regulation [8] will allow learning this very simply and easily.
It is very important to pay close attention to searching and abolishing in oneself such streaks (in other words — properties of the soul), as violence in its various manifestations, including boreness, also — envy, irritability, and the desire to get for oneself instead of care primarily about the welfare of others.
A special kind of malicious thoughts and emotions is the compassion to oneself. Such states deprive a person of power and stop the spiritual growth.
Jesus Christ and Sathya Sai Baba spoke much and in detail about typical human vices. It would be very helpful to re-read many times Their remarks on this subject [1,7], noting for oneself, with what else one needs to work on.
One of the common mistakes in the ethical work of beginners is that the reader agrees with everything written, but does not apply this specifically to oneself. And then one commits precisely those mistakes, about which one has read about, has seen in others, but has not thought about the possibility of repeating them oneself.
Third — one needs to cleanse one’s organism from bioenergetical contaminations. The first thing — to clean the chakras and main meridians [8]. It is also desirable to pull away from contacts with coarse people. These actions will, in particular, quickly get rid of many chronic diseases. Also, that is even more importantly, we cannot perceive from energy-contaminated bodies the Purity of the Holy Spirits and approach Their Abode.
This stage of spiritual work, dedicated to putting in proper order the energy structures of our bodies, is called Raja Yoga. When it is completed — it becomes possible to begin development in Buddhi Yoga.
Buddhi Yoga involves the active development of the consciousness (soul) outside of our material bodies. And this is what allows reaching, as the result, the direct active communication with God.
There are many methods of development of the consciousness in Buddhi Yoga. Some of them are described in the books [8,19], and some are even shown in our video films.
But in this publication, I will describe only a general scheme.
The correct course of development of the consciousness in Buddhi Yoga is the preferential growth of oneself (as the consciousness) as the spiritual heart. Attempts to the preferred development of structures of the lower and the upper dantyans have to be recognized as erroneous and harmful; they are taken by those who do not understand, do not see the Aim of spiritual development and therefore can only create fantasies at a pseudo-spiritual level.
The true efforts should be directed, first, to the “opening” the spiritual heart in the chest chakra anahata (middle dantyan). Such a person acquires the ability to look at the world “through the eyes of the heart”, bad thinking dominants and negative emotions disappear, the emotional state becomes steady, loving.
For further development of oneself — now as solely the spiritual heart as the most important part of the consciousness — the most comfortable methods are the meditative trainings performed in open spaces: over large water reservoirs, from mountain peaks, above deserts or steppes.
What could be a great help here, is the methodological principle, which can be roughly named as “Head — Anahata”. What is in question here? We settle the structure of the upper dantyan — to communicating with the world of matter. And we are feeling anahata chakra, which is located below the head, — growing in increasing volumes of space; it needs also to take into consideration the space multidimensionality.
It is convenient to start such trainings, standing — up to the neck — in a warm and calm water of large water reservoirs. Hands of consciousness, coming from the spiritual heart and consubstantial to it, fondle all beings, existing in water, keeping them on the palms of our love.
Or it is possible to keep on the palms of love those creatures that live in a forest, in a meadow, and in other landscapes. Or — those living on the whole accessible surface of our planet. Use in such meditations not two but any number of hands of love — and act with them in all directions at once.
Then let the growing in such a way spiritual heart gradually fill the light inside the planet — with an accent on subtlety in the state within the Earth’s core. And then we, having gone through the core, expand our presence in the Ocean of Divine Fire — so the active state of the United “We” of the Holy Spirits is perceived. (In Sanskrit, this Ocean of Divine Fire is called by the term Paramatman).
Having mastered in due measure one’s own identity with this Ocean — the spiritual seeker develops the ability to rise out of It over the surface of our planet, being the “Sun of God” — to be for other seekers of God the obvious Standard of Divine Purity. He or She becomes the Open Gate from the Primordial Consciousness — to the world of Creation, to incarnate people.
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To walk this way is possible only under the guidance of Divine Teachers. For this it is necessary to properly prepare ourselves for the discipleship at the highest levels of consciousness development that we have already discussed. I only emphasize once again that the most important thing here is the ethical purity.
Divine Teachers (Holy Spirits) are everywhere. They keep track of all our actions and even thoughts. They are willing to help us to get better. And for this, They create for everyone the most favorable conditions, placing us in certain learning situations — according to the destiny (karma) created by each of us for ourselves.
The easiest way to begin communicating with the Divine Teachers exists at Their working sites (one of kinds of “places of power”). Here They can be perceptible as Mahadoubles (giant anthropomorphic Forms) or as the “Suns of God”.
Incidentally, the term “places of power” was introduced to spiritual science by Juan Matus, that has been described by Carlos Castaneda [1,7,etc.]. “Places of power” are either positive or negative [8]. In spiritual work, we should be able to avoid the negative “places of power”. And to work well, improving ourselves through the art of meditation, — it is relevant at the positive places.
Such places vary significantly. And a sequence of such places can be formed for training — in accordance with the stages of meditative perfecting. For example, there are places for the work with Kundalini, for entering into each of the eons (lokas) of the multidimensional Absolute, for transporting all the best that has been accumulated in the upper and lower dantyans — into the developed spiritual heart.
… The author of this publication and his colleagues, who for decades devoted the whole to the study of God and of the methods of cognition Him, have been shown by the Divine Teachers a lot more than one needs to “take” these spiritual heights. This has provided us a great breadth of vision in understanding the structure of the Absolute and the variety of methods of spiritual self-realization. This allows, in particular, us to adequately see the different existing techniques — right and wrong — in proper perspective.
But the program described in this article can shorten the Way, focusing only on what is most important: what is really easy and understandable enough to help others to become Members of the United “We” of the Holy Spirits. The other nuances can be cognized later.
Good luck to you all!

Recommended Reading
3. Antonov V.V. (Ed.) — Spiritual Heart: Path to the Creator (Poems-Meditations and Revelation). «New Atlanteans», 2007.
4. Antonov V.V. — How God Can Be Cognized. Autobiography of a Scientist Who Studied God. «New Atlanteans», 2008.
7. Antonov V.V. — Classics of Spiritual Philosophy and the Present. «New Atlanteans», 2008.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't think all Jews take it literally, though they do take the commandments and laws portions though.

The Laws must be interpreted, which can be variable, and the applications can be variable as well. For example, the biblical demand that we must not make or worship a "graven image" simply is not that clear since what exactly constitutes a "graven image"? Interpretation has been somewhat variable as has been application.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What's unclear about it?

Defining what a "graven image" is because it is not defined in Torah. Therefore, different Jewish groups had different interpretations as to exactly what constitutes a "graven image". For example, does a mosaiic picturing a human or animal qualify as being a "graven image"?
 

sindex.1983

Helpful Friendly Advice
Here is my humble opinion:

Jesus was a real man who managed to unite himself (his physicality) with his soul and spirit - the inner trinity of Man.

The spirit is a reflection of yourself, inhabited by the Holy Spirit of God. God is incomprehensible to a finite mind, so instead, God is united with us in our own image within our minds. It takes great care not to rationally confound this and create, instead, a devilish idol to worship in place of the presence of God.

So yes - one can unite themselves with the Father, provided they are prepared to forsake much about their ego-identity, 'to pick up their cross and follow Christ'...

Food for thought, hope you enjoy
 

starlite

Texasgirl
Here is my humble opinion:

Jesus was a real man who managed to unite himself (his physicality) with his soul and spirit - the inner trinity of Man.

The spirit is a reflection of yourself, inhabited by the Holy Spirit of God. God is incomprehensible to a finite mind, so instead, God is united with us in our own image within our minds. It takes great care not to rationally confound this and create, instead, a devilish idol to worship in place of the presence of God.

So yes - one can unite themselves with the Father, provided they are prepared to forsake much about their ego-identity, 'to pick up their cross and follow Christ'...

Food for thought, hope you enjoy

Sindix.. I did enjoy your comment...thank you
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My understanding is that a graven image is a visible, tangible aid used in an attempt to worship God. It would be an object to which one would bow down or give worship.

Trouble is the scriptures never define it. The Law is that we not make and worship, so the "worship" part is a given, but there's been differing interpretations as to exactly what constitutes a "graven image". With some, even a picture from a camera of a human or animal qualifies. So, to use your word "aid", what exactly constitutes that?

The point this is in context with is that not everything written in scripture is cut and dry, and our sages have pulled out a lot of their hair trying to figure out what the authors were trying to say. Jewish courts often decided such matters, but even they didn't always agree with each other.

Thanks for your input, and you well could be right, but I just don't know.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus said he and his Father are one. (John 10:30) Can that apply to us as well?

John 17:20, 21

20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.

What are your thoughts?

No, I doubt it.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Jesus said he and his Father are one. (John 10:30) Can that apply to us as well?

Absolutely. We just need to align ourselves with God and get the little ego concerns out of the way. Love and a sense of Oneness gets us there.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
:DWhat kind of Union are you thinking about, Aupmanyav ?

I was wondering the same thing, since I am sure that many a teenage boy has sought such 'union' with 'Miss Universe' in his imagination, if that is what is being implied....:cover:
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Let me correct myself, union with a God is like union with a pink fairy, a houry of the heaven. Miss Universe, at least, is a physical body with which union is possible (if not for me, then by some other people. Abhishek Bachan for example, married Aishvarya Roy).

abhishek+bachchan+aishwarya+rai.jpg
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
It isn't possible. Otherwise you would see it all over the place, besides, is Jesus the best example? He was literally the spokesperson, the manifestation, the final authority, do you really think people can achieve this?? Rhetorical question, no, not happening.
 
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