The described events of that night when jesus was talking to it, he was not perfectly happy with what was about to happen to him.
And so what? Although, I don't agree with this, what IF He was crying because He wasn't happy about dying? That doesn't change what happened at the cross and just as importantly what happened three days later.
The point is, Christ OBEYED God. As we all do, He had a choice to make and He chose God over His flesh.
He wasn't crying for humanities sins
Quote scripture which makes you believe this. It would interest me to follow where you're coming from with this.
if he was he would have been crying since the day he was born.
Not unless He became FULLY AWARE of His purpose IN THE GARDEN.
I still say that he made a deal with it and thus said he was forsaken. It might have been that he asked it not to let him feel pain or even a swift death, but he did not get both. If he knew he was saving humanity why would he cry, he should be rejoicing if it was a true self sacrifice.
If you have the time, can you provide scripture which makes you believe that Christ didn't sacrifice Himself for us? It would assist me in understanding where you're coming from...if you'd cite some scripture for me. If your thoughts on this matter do not stem from your interpretation of the gospels, would you mind explaining how you came to this conclusion.
What is wrong about the whole thing is that it tricks humanity for its own agenda which is so that humanity keeps believing that it is a god.
God isn't the one with an agenda. He's made it pretty clear what the deal is. If you WANT HIM, He's made a way for you to find Him. If you don't want God in your life...He's not going to enter...end of story.
The sins of men are mostly physical.
The spirit endures eternal consequences.
Thats my point, its your own destiny/existence, why would you suffer if you in your own power can stop that from happening. Some believers suffer because they were taught to.
As a Christian, I live my life, doing the best I can on a daily basis, striving to follow Christ's example. I've been taught to stand strong in in the Lord and to live the fullest life that I can.
A note on nature...
With all due respect, I adore nature but I know that nature is temporary. My faith rests in something that is eternal. And I'm sorry but I find beauty in placing trust in the one person, My God who has always been, is now and will be tomorrow. Seasons change. The earth cycles. My God remains the same. Nature reminds me of how awesome God is.
Remember this is the same bible god that reward people who killed fellow human beings... Story of the kings that was in its favor...David... Chronicles)
And from the beginning of time, God's made it clear that there is glory in obeying and following Him and disobedience leads to destruction and negative consequence. You make it sound as if we're so innocent.
Revelations...... If you do not chose it, it will abandon you plus Raptures, it already said that everyone will feel a loss....sounds like agony....
I can't recall reading this.
Its not lack of belief, its an experience with your self proclaimed god that convinced me finally that this is not a god.
Okay, well, I guess that clears a couple of things up. And with all due respect to you, you're entitled to your beliefs. And my sincere hope is that you find happiness in whatever path(s) you choose in your life.
I mentioned to you before, I hope you experience it and ask you to challenge it and you will know what I mean, the bible would be so clear to you and who the jesus they are talking about in the bible. There are others who experience it and are afraid to share their experiences...
I didn't realize how lost I was until I found Him.
Share your perception then.
What specifically are you asking for?
I rebelled against God for years...questioning Him, doubting Him and doing all I could to keep out of church...to keep out of the Word. I considered Wicca because it made sense to me but something stopped me...I couldn't commit to it because something was missing.
I had a spriritual meltdown, to be honest. And I finally cleared my mind and heart and walked into church one Sunday. I sought answers, I sought peace and I sought God.
And it happened. Our Pastor preached on salvation that day, actually...the basic message of salvation...and I accepted prayer and I truly repented for my sins because I truly felt plagued by my own ugliness and just as the scriptures said...when I asked Christ to cleanse me...He did...I instantly felt this release and it wasn't just this mental release...it was a spiritual and physical release, as if a thousand bricks had been lifted off of my body and when hands were laid on my forehead...I felt the Holy Spirit enter my body.
And I haven't been the same since and although this may sound ridiculous to you, the rebirth that is discussed over and over again in scriptures occured in my life. I walked out of the church a completely different person.
My perception of God...He is LOVE...there's no doubt in my mind that I belong to Him. He's the air I breathe. I don't expect anyone else to understand or even to believe me. But He just is...
And all of the things that perplexed me and angered me about the Word...started to come into focus and make sense to me once I had received the Holy Spirit. The Trinity, which used to bug the living daylights out of me...made complete sense to me not only on a mental level but the way it effects my spirit...it just clicked...
I doubt this answered your question but you know...
Since the bible is a book of riddles, remmeber the battle in heaven, when the archangels battled and thus creating satan
Satan wasn't created by battle. Satan was created by God as an angel like the rest...He was phenomenally beautiful. And from I understand, angels, like humans...have free will. And those that turned against God FELL. Not much different than us when you think about it.
which was banished on earth with mankind?
Satan banished himself by his own dirty actions.
How can that be man's doing, its actually its creation
Adam and Eve were created perfect human beings. They lived in a paradise with God. They had everything they needed and were forbidden to do ONE thing...which was to eat from that forbidden tree. With the persuasion of dorkfish, Satan...Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit...opening her eyes to all the crud that we were better off without.
Satan was a serpent BENEATH THEIR FEET. Eve had the authority in the Garden to stomp on Satan and CHOSE instead to eat the fruit. Once Satan's evil was leashed...there you go...you've got a corrupted world.
God created Satan as God created us. Satan had choices to make. He choice to disobey and turn away from God. Adam and Eve had choices to make and made the wrong choices. And because of their WRONG choices...Satan's had a hay day on earth since.
.. an angel who decided to think for itself
An angel who ALWAYS had the ability to think for himself. Free will.
. Have you noticed that when a being thinks differently that it is automatically categorized as evil by it... adam fell into this category also...
Nope. There are two types of thinking as there are two types of decisions to make...the right way and the wrong way.
I hope you do not feel that way, and if this awareness comes upon to you and that is how you feel, think twice. This is exactly one of another person's belief who is no longer on this earth, yes that person experienced this awareness that says he is the god, the self procalimed god.
I'm quite content with my experiences, thank you. I'm at peace and I wish the same for you with all of your endeavours. If you're displeased with the Christian path...I wish you absolute happiness on whatever path you take.
Mankind runs christianity, thus anything is possible.
Personally, I'm in no way, shape or form capable of creating or inventing Christ Jesus. He's so far beyond anything I'm capable of. So, I exclude myself form your version of mankind here.
In your post here, I can see that you are a good natured person with or without your belief in the bible because that is your true nature. A god can never force you to do what you really are not .. unless you let it.
Before becoming a Christian, I didn't understand Love at all. I have love in my heart. If I appear to be a good natured person, let me tell you, I can be a downright terrible person at times. The good in me is the love in my heart. I really do love people and care about people but I didn't always feel that way.
People can adore whatever they like.. its their choice and no one elses.....
I agree with you. I have a habit of repeating myself over and over and I've already typed a novel, so unless you have any specific questions, I probably will not contribute anything further, unless of course, you cite some scripture.
Truthfully, peace to you and yours. I wish you nothing but blessings and happiness. If you're happy in life...that rocks and I'm happy for you.
If you've taken anything from my novel...I hope you have a better understanding of where I'm coming from. I truly, truly love my God. I really do. When I think of what His face must have looked like while He was hanging on that cross for me...stupid little me...because He loves me...I'm overcome by gratitude and love.
It's really all about the love...my testimony is that God really is Love. And when we love others...everything else falls into place.