Super Universe
Defender of God
ProfLogic said:the one god belief is false.
You are making a claim here. And your proof is?
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ProfLogic said:the one god belief is false.
Someone mentioned that god the father is more powerful than god the son which means they are 2 different god, so the one god belief is false. And if there is a self proclaimed god, that too is not a god, hope you can experience it and challenge it...Super Universe said:You are making a claim here. And your proof is?
Super Universe said:In great pain Jesus cries out to His spirit which is the human connection to God.
doppleganger said:Okay, now you've really piqued my interest, Professor.
I approach such notions as "God" linguistically, as symbols and try to get at the experiences meant to be symbolized by them. But your quote above seems to suggest you are headed somewhere else with this.
Care to fill in more details about what you mean? I'd be very interested in reading them.
ProfLogic said:It sounded like as you said a man but in the end found out that he was really not a god and was made believe to be a god thus those selected words. In the end it appears another sacrificed human for the sake of making others believe it was a god... a self proclaimed god.
ProfLogic said:If you have heard of people that gets tha calling, it might be more understandable. In this case Mary thought that she had the calling of a god, so she molded her son to follow the biblical path. Since the child only knew of the bible teachings, it was so easy for this self proclaimed god to convince the child that he is a god thus need to die. This is why in the end, the man realized that his life is final..... and now uttered "the words my god why have you forsaken me", meaning he thought that he was a god that would be resurrected with his physical body but he realized that it will not happen because for the physical body when dead can not be resurrected.
Ezzedean said:But do you believe that people thought he was God during his life? Or do you think that concept came after his death? I'm under the impression that this theory came after the death of Christ.... "In the end it appears another sacrificed human for the sake of making others believe it was a god... a self proclaimed god" Can you please explain this to me again?
The bible claims of 1 god. If jesus says my god my god then it says that he is not a god because he is calling to his god, otherwise he would have said nothing and just say he is up on the cross for humanities sins. This then proves that he is not a god but just a man who was made believed to be a god. His purpose was to be an instrument of the self proclaimed god as others who allowed themselves to be. Today you can still see this.Ezzedean said:I don't completely understand what you're trying to say. Do you not believe that it could have been another man in the image of Jesus? I'm sure you know by now that I don't believe Jesus was God, nor the son of God... So if all you're trying to prove to everyone is that Jesus wasn't God, then I agree, and so does a book written 1400 years ago.. Or are you trying to understand exactly the person on the cross may have said "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?"
Well anything is possible in religion.... its up to the one interpreting the scriptures. Judas again an instrument of the self proclained god because he let himself be one.. Peace and respect...Ezzedean said:... because apparantly Jesus knew what was gonna happen on the cross, and that he was gonna sacrifice his blood and go through pain for us... so why would he have asked such a question? Could it have been a man in Jesus' image who didn't understand why he was being punished? Again... the Quran states that it was an enemy of Jesus who got the image of Jesus put on him and received the crucifixtion.... Judas definately falls into this category (which some hadith mentions but not authentic enough to confirm) Do you believe this could be a possibility?
doppleganger said:What a tragically beautiful way of understanding the story.
ProfLogic said:Why would jesus utter those words but if he did asked the bible gods' help but never recieved it. Using your belief that there is satan and looking at todays society, do you think satan has not won since there are more and more exploitation of the innocent, poor, the sick, the old all over the world. On top of this the so called wicked are never punished by society since there are plenty of serial crimes.
Sorry for butting in Ezzedean, but I don't think very many people came to realize this during Jesus' lifetime. After all, having a deity dwell among them would have been a pretty difficult concept for anyone to accept. You may or may not be aware that, as an LDS Christian, I don't see Jesus as being simply a different manifestation of a single substance known as a Trinity. I see Him as being physically distinct from His Father and as being subordinate to His Father, to whom He referred as "my God."Ezzedean said:But do you believe that people thought he was God during his life? Or do you think that concept came after his death?I'm under the impression that this theory came after the death of Christ.... "
Personally, I can't accept that as even a remote possibility. Would "a man in Jesus' image" who was being put to death in the cruelest of all possible ways have appealed to God to forgive the men who were torturing Him? I believe that Jesus knew that He was going to have to experience unbearable pain, but I don't believe that He had stopped to consider, before it actually happened, that for a brief time, His Father actually was going to turn away from Him and allow Him to complete His mission on His own....Or are you trying to understand exactly the person on the cross may have said "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?"... because apparantly Jesus knew what was gonna happen on the cross, and that he was gonna sacrifice his blood and go through pain for us... so why would he have asked such a question? Could it have been a man in Jesus' image who didn't understand why he was being punished? Again... the Quran states that it was an enemy of Jesus who got the image of Jesus put on him and received the crucifixtion.... Judas definately falls into this category (which some hadith mentions but not authentic enough to confirm) Do you believe this could be a possibility?
Katzpur said:You may or may not be aware that, as an LDS Christian, I don't see Jesus as being simply a different manifestation of a single substance known as a Trinity. I see Him as being physically distinct from His Father and as being subordinate to His Father, to whom He referred as "my God."
ProfLogic said:The puzzling word is my god my god.... and forsaken. It appears that jesus was expecting something in return and he did not get it while he was being crucified. Remember in the garden when he said thy will be done. He knew what was coming and he wept, some people say in blood because he was distraught. Some people say because he was weeping for mankind which doesn't make sense since jesus could have done this without being on earth......
ProfLogic said:Isn't the bible's theology monotheism?
NetDoc said:You are blinded by the physical. The Kingdom of heaven is spiritual and so is the healing that Jesus provides. Somehow, I doubt that you are trying to devine what Jesus meant as much as you are only trying to find a way to discredit Christianity. Just a thought to ponder.
Perhaps you should re-read the scriptures. You missed a lot.ProfLogic said:The example of the evils of men in the bible are purely physical
My belief system has no bearing on reality. Either it coincides with it or it does not. I'm betting that it does. Either way, my beliefs can not alter my existence on this mortal plain.Proflogic said:Let me ask you this, would you be a different person in nature without your belief in the bible?
It sounds like the author of those words, writing decades later and an eyewitness to nothing, was impregnating his tale with a reference to the 22nd Psalm as implied prooftext.ProfLogic said:After his crucifixion, jesus uttered the words "My god my god why have you forsaken me", sounded like ...
let me add Under a theology of Montheism?Genna said:I have a question regarding the title of this thread, if Jesus is God, how can God have a God?
Jayhawker Soule said:It sounds like the author of those words, writing decades later and an eyewitness to nothing, was impregnating his tale with a reference to the 22nd Psalm as implied prooftext.