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Japan decides to dump tons of radioactive water into the Pacific

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Vee, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Vee

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    This has been ongoing for a while, with a lot of protests from many concerned people, but now it seems it's final. Japan is going to dump millions of gallons of radioactive water into the Pacific.
    Apparently the International Atomic Energy Agency gave the ok. They say it's mostly harmless contaminated water. For me this is the equivalent of saying mostly harmless bullet in case someone shoots you.
    If this water doesn't represent any danger, why is Japan throwing it away? Clean water can be distributed to the population, for cleaning, watering fields, showers, etc, right? If it's indeed contaminated, how did the IAEA give it the ok to be thrown to the ocean where it will endanger all sorts of life forms, including ours?
    Millions of people in the pacific region depend on fishing to feed their families. What's going to happen to them if this water is not as "harmless" as claimed?
     
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  2. Left Coast

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    Do you have a link to somewhere that we can read more information about this story?
     
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    What is your proposal for disposing the water in question?
    I am curious mainly because if nothing is done about it then here in August it will be overflowing their storage tanks and leaking into the ground.
     
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  6. Vee

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    The tsunami was 10 years ago. They didn't have time to build more tanks? For me, either increase the storage capacity or find a way to clean the water. Of course, dump it into the ocean is cheaper in the short term. In the long term not so much, but politicians don't do long term anyway.
     
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  7. Wu Wei

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    Apparently China is not happy either, as are all of the local fishermen. Frankly I think it is highly irresponsible.
     
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    The term "harmless contaminated" seems like an oxymoron to me.
     
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    Japan aren't the most responsible people in the world when it comes to the sea. They kill sharks just for their fins and kill whales just for their oil.
     
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    I do not know.

    Source?

    From what I have read the science and scientists agree that it will have a minimal impact based upon the slow multi-decade release plan.
    What numbers do you have that say otherwise?
     
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  11. Twilight Hue

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    I'm guessing maybe the radiation is at a low enough level?
     
  12. Vee

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    I don't have numbers, what I have is a great deal of suspicion when things don't make sense. Given the track record of politicians and the fact that some scientists can be bought, I think I might have a point.
     
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    Well, according to The International Atomic Energy Agency the water to be released into the ocean meets or exceeds the minamum standard to be released.
    According to local officials and fishing crews, it is a bad idea.

    I am still waiting to see some numbers about it.

    Seeing as "Nuclear power plants around the world routinely discharge treated wastewater containing tritium into the sea" with IAEA approval...
     
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    So basically, you are merely jumping on a bandwagon without knowing any of the actual details?
     
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    Like others, I want to see technical details.
     
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    This is of course how Godzilla gets created. We all know that already.
     
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    Tritium has a half life of 12.3 years and it emits beta radiation. --From : Radionuclide Basics: Tritium | US EPA

    My question is: how often does it emit a beta particle? Does it only emit it when it decays?
     
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    Probably because the IAEA is run by scientists.;)

    I'm sure this will be all about dilution. What makes you think this water will endanger all sorts of life forms? You can't say that without knowing its composition and the way in which it will be dispersed.
     
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    "TEPCO says the wastewater has been treated to remove most of the radioactivity. However, tritium — a radioactive hydrogen isotope — remains."

    What its tritium...


    How dangerous is tritium...

    Tritium does not have chemically toxic effects and its potential to be hazardous to human health is solely because it emits ionizing radiation (the beta particle). This radiation exposure may very slightly increase the probability that a person will develop cancer during his or her lifetime.
    Here's the story from September 2019.

    https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


    More than 1 million tonnes of contaminated water has accumulated at the plant since it was struck by a tsunami in March 2011, triggering a triple meltdown that forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents.

    Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) has struggled to deal with the buildup of groundwater, which becomes contaminated when it mixes with water used to prevent the three damaged reactor cores from melting.
     
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