Italy's far right set to win election

[ImmortalFlame]

His being heterosexual and fond of beautiful women is not something that makes him "bad" in the eyes of the Italian electorate. Quite the opposite.

See, this is what it makes it clear to me that you are not debating or discussing politics in good faith. I point out that someone is a dishonest, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and your response was "the fact that he is attracted to women is what makes him popular, actually". Which has LITERALLY nothing to do with what I wrote.

Once again:

Berlusconi was a lying, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and a national embarrassment who made Italian politics look like a joke around the world.

Deal with the things I write. Please do not deliberately ignore what I have written and then pretend I said something completely different. And Berlusconi's popularity proves nothing other than that Italian voters are very easily manipulated by criminal scumbags and don't care if their leaders are tax-evading, bribe-loving paedophiles. The fact that he was PM and that he had any popularity within Italy at all should be a mark of shame, not something you want to tout in online political discourse.

 

[Estro Felino]

See, this is what it makes it clear to me that you are not debating or discussing politics in good faith. I point out that someone is a dishonest, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and your response was "the fact that he is attracted to women is what makes him popular, actually". Which has LITERALLY nothing to do with what I wrote.

Once again:

Berlusconi was a lying, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and a national embarrassment who made Italian politics look like a joke around the world.

Deal with the things I write. Please do not deliberately ignore what I have written and then pretend I said something completely different. And Berlusconi's popularity proves nothing other than that Italian voters are very easily manipulated by criminal scumbags and don't care if their leaders are tax-evading, bribe-loving paedophiles. The fact that he was PM and that he had any popularity within Italy at all should be a mark of shame, not something you want to tout in online political discourse.

I do respect your opinion.

Italian politology rarely focuses on persons...how deceitful or corrupt they are.
Because there are people like that both in the right-wing and the left-wing.

Since I admire Gaddafi and I think he was one of the greatest socialists in history, I cannot be thankful to Berlusconi for being friend of such a person.
Whom radicals killed unjustly.

 

[Revoltingest]

See, this is what it makes it clear to me that you are not debating or discussing politics in good faith. I point out that someone is a dishonest, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and your response was "the fact that he is attracted to women is what makes him popular, actually". Which has LITERALLY nothing to do with what I wrote.

Once again:

Berlusconi was a lying, manipulative, criminally corrupt misogynist, and a national embarrassment who made Italian politics look like a joke around the world.

Deal with the things I write. Please do not deliberately ignore what I have written and then pretend I said something completely different. And Berlusconi's popularity proves nothing other than that Italian voters are very easily manipulated by criminal scumbags and don't care if their leaders are tax-evading, bribe-loving paedophiles. The fact that he was PM and that he had any popularity within Italy at all should be a mark of shame, not something you want to tout in online political discourse.

Italian politics has one redeeming quality.
Ameristanians who feel bad about our state of
affairs need only look to Italy. We're not the worst.

 

[metis]

The Italian Left is electorally dead.
It has lost 14 regions out of 20.

And at least some historians believe that as high as 80% of Germans supported Hitler at the beginning of WWII, and we do know how that worked out.

 

[metis]

Since I admire Gaddafi and I think he was one of the greatest socialists in history, I cannot be thankful to Berlusconi for being friend of such a person.

Maybe read this: Silvio Berlusconi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I do respect your opinion.

Italian politology rarely focuses on persons...how deceitful or corrupt they are.
Because there are people like that both in the right-wing and the left-wing.

Since I admire Gaddafi and I think he was one of the greatest socialists in history, I cannot be thankful to Berlusconi for being friend of such a person.
Whom radicals killed unjustly.

Once again, you run away from the point that Italy should not be proud for electing a corrupt, autocratic paedophile to public office.

I will not take my morals on what is just or unjust from people who protect paedophiles being given public office.

 

[Estro Felino]

And at least some historians believe that as high as 80% of Germans supported Hitler at the beginning of WWII, and we do know how that worked out.

I will be very honest, with you.
I took a flight and I went to my hometown to vote in Sicily. Regional elections.
And I voted Right-wing. The Right-wing won.
If you want to know the reasons why I voted Right-wing, I will tell you them.

 

[metis]

I will be very honest, with you.
I took a flight and I went to my hometown to vote in Sicily. Regional elections.
And I voted Right-wing. The Right-wing won.
If you want to know the reasons why I voted Right-wing, I will tell you them.

Hey, how you voted is your business, not mine. My concerns are based on the past history of fascist governments, so we'll have to see how this turns out en Italia-- hopefully OK, my friend.

Someday I'll have to tell you what my wife & ran across when staying there vising her family, and I think you'll find it interesting I do believe. It wasn't bad but was "interesting".

 

[Estro Felino]

Hey, how you voted is your business, not mine. My concerns are based on the past history of fascist governments, so we'll have to see how this turns out en Italia-- hopefully OK, my friend.

Someday I'll have to tell you what my wife & ran across when staying there vising her family, and I think you'll find it interesting I do believe. It wasn't bad but was "interesting".

I am curious...you can tell me in private if you want....

 

[metis]

I am curious...you can tell me in private if you want....

OK, as I have some time left before I gotta go.

When we went to Sicilia in 2001, I was in Judaism and kept kosher, thus I couldn't eat the meat. So, her cousins and I a couple of times went to a fishery in Trapani whereas they bought me sardi to put on the barbeque, which I loved btw.

Anyhow, my wife was grilled on how she, a devout Catholic, could be married to a Jew [conversion to Judaism also makes one Jewish], and whether they even allowed that in the States. She explained to them that here this is not that unusual. That still mystified them, so there was one question after another after another... However, they treated me very well, and I loved staying with them.

BTW, when we were first married, I watched my mother-in-law preparing meat for cooking, and the method she used was to wash the meat, salt it heavily, put in on a board leaning into the sink, and let it drain for a couple of hours. That's called "kashering" in Hebrew, so was there any connection to Jews and/or Judaism?

Well, we found out that it probably was as there was a relatively large Jewish community in Trapani. Her family also made and used couscous regularly, which was brought in by the Moors but also heavily adopted in the Jewish community there as well. Many Sicilians don't even know what that is, and yet Trapani has a couscous festival every year. I love the stuff.

There's more, but that's the main gist of it.

 

[Estro Felino]

By the way...Vox Populi, Vox Dei
blue= right wing
Chamber and Senate

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I am saying that a Fascist movement would not be female-led, because they are too sexist for that. Fascism upholds strict essentialist views of gender. Can you understand me now?

And I see no evidence that this woman or her party is Fascist. So this little aside here is a distraction from that fact.

You think fascist parties are above putting a little window dressing forwards in order to secure a popular view? I don't think there is any mandate for them to be that politically naieve, or lacking in political strategy.

To be clear, I'm not directing this at Meloni. Italian politics has been male dominated regardless of faction, and she's worked her way up from the bottom. I just find the assertion that having a female leader automatically renders a party non-fascist as...well...outdated.