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Featured Is your faith of any practical use?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    I have great respect for people who seek to help others in a practical way and let their deeds do the talking. For instance, our eldest daughter is an Anglican Priest, during school holidays she and some of the helpers from her church, provide a mid day meal for children from poor families who would normally have free school lunches. They provide the money for the food, my husband and I donate to this good cause too. Our girl also does other practical things to help others.

    I have no respect for those who think forcing their faith on others is more important than attending to their needs. I knew a 'born again Christian, long dead, who was more than happy to donate money to give the 'heathen' in other countries Bibles, but wouldn't put his hand in his pocket to provide the starving with food! He reckoned Bibles were much more important!:mad:

    My husband and I are non believers, since we married as young people in 1969 we have tried to be helpful to those who were less fortunate than ourselves. We had three birth daughters and then went on to adopt two lads with learning difficulties, the first boy is of mixed race with moderate learning problems, he was nine years old when he came to us. Our younger son, of Greek Cypriot parentage, has Down's Syndrome, and is quite severely mentally disabled but the nicest person you could ever wish to meet, he came to us when he was 13 months old. We also fostered a teenager with DS, he stayed with us for nine years. In our old age my husband and I are reasonably comfortably off financially, it gives us more pleasure to donate money to good causes, than spend it on ourselves. I am not blowing our own trumpet when stating this, as helping others has given our life meaning therefore we have benefitted greatly.:)
     
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  2. AT-AT

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    My faith isn't very practical, no.
     
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    Having faith significantly changes who I am. And that positively effects everyone I encounter. This was probably also true, at least somewhat, even for your evangelical friend.
     
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    Trying to grasp this subject. For example, suppose religion made me more Yang. Would it truly make me better, or just more likely to identify well with people of the same group?
     
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    The 'born again' man I knew was not an unpleasant so and so, who made the lives of others miserable! :mad:
     
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    I think you are misperceiving the yin/yang concept. They are two aspects of the same unit. The unit is not more one or the other.

    From a leaf's perspective, the fall of the year must be a terrible time. It and all it's 'friends' will die, one by one, fall to the ground, and rot away. But the nutrients in their 'carcasses' will be absorbed into the ground and thereby absorbed by trees that gave them life in the first place, giving birth to a whole new generation of leaves in the spring. Yin and yang are a matter of relative perspective, whereas the 'tao' is the whole of it. A whole that is ultimately beyond our comprehension.

    Learning to trust in the benevolence of the incomprehensible whole, to look for it, and celebrate it when it's recognized and to trust in it when it's unseen; this is what faith is all about. We cannot comprehend the tao, but we can embody it as it embodies us. And in so doing minimize our experience of strife, and that of those around us.
     
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    Well there ya go.

    So are you saying this wasn't enough? And if so, how much would have been enough?
     
  8. JJ50

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    If he had questioned the nonsense that came out of his mouth it would have been a good thing. He was always right and everyone who didn't see it his way was going to burn in hell.
     
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    My Faith places great emphasis on being to service to others and the community. Our Founder Baha'u'llah taught "Let deeds, not words be your adorning".
     
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    Very sensible.
     
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    I fathom you are correct. Let me explain how I understand concepts...

    I believe in the evolution of language, and I'm not afraid to use such a thing to my advantage. For example, I could say, God is Yang, and it would sound retarded to some people, but I might establish a new term for the word "Yang", and it still wouldn't refute my point. And some people, except maybe the ones who take the subject really seriously, would understand what I mean. The only consequences to my actions is if people get annoyed or sense a disturbance in the force. If people do, I feel they are taking themselves too seriously and also not understanding such a liberal, head-in-the-clouds sort of view as my own. At the same time, they have a right to their opinion, and I'm not going to get upset if they call me out.
     
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    I like to help out when I can and prefer to remain anonymous in my giving. "Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing".
     
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    To further my point earlier, there are some holes in current language. Which of these two sentences sounds better?:

    Sentence 1: "I am a bit Yin".

    Sentence 2: "I am pretty much full of darkness and have an understanding and connection to it."
     
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    "Faith" is a bit of a misnomer for my worldview, as none is required. That said, while my path is one of knowledge/self-realization, I live in accordance with my dharma, which includes doing my best to live altruistically in the interest of the well-being of self and others who share my experiences.
     
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    I wouldn't say that declaring "God is Yang" to be liberal, by any means. Saying "God is Yang" would create a disturbance in the force, and cause people to scurry around to try to force (yang) everything into place, even if it doesn't belong there.
    Of course, your mileage may vary. ;)
     
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    Sorry. I'm not hungry for roast mutton today.
     
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Yáng includes both sheep and goats, so you have a wide variety to choose from.
     
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    It sounds like you are just talking about humanitarian charity when it comes to "practical use?" A path being practical can mean more than that, but to limit this one's thoughts to that, my tradition isn't particularly humanitarian. The reason for that is because it's ecocentric rather than anthropocentric - I'm an animist for whom "person" and therefore "ethical subject" does not mean "human" but also means "bird" and "tree" and "river." There are plenty of humans fussing about humans. There are far fewer humans fussing about the rest of the world. I focus on the rest of the world.
     
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    I have no need for faith.

    I don't need it to try and be a good person, nore do I need it to cope with my own mortality.

    Frankly, I kind of judge people who actually need their religious faith in order to find motivation or reasons to try and be a good person.
    I call such people morally bankrupt.
     
  20. JJ50

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    We don't brag about the donations we make to
    Unless your faith makes you a good person it isn't worth having. I have come across quite a number of the 'born again' dogma, whom you wouldn't trust any further than you could throw them, if that far.:mad: That includes some of the elders of the Pentecostal church I attended as a child. As I have mentioned before the pastor touched me inappropriately when I was 14! :mad:
     
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