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Featured Is Jesus God?.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Gerry, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. DavidFirth

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    You assume much.
     
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    You have to consider who "Jesus", is, not merely assume that the text is too vague to differentiate between angels and Jesus, so forth.
     
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    you're making up your own religion, and calling it christianity.
    What I wrote was standard inference for the belief that Jesus is an angel. Nothing assumed there at all.
     
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    Is Jesus 'God' in the same definition that Zeus is God? if Jesus is not a God, but the son of a God, doesn't that make him a Demigod, like Hercules.
     
  5. URAVIP2ME

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    Since none of us are eyewitnesses then we read about the things Jesus did which are connected to the old Hebrew Scriptures. So, what did Jesus Not do that Messiah is supposed to do.
    Gospel writer John wrote Revelation, and the setting for Revelation was future tense (Revelation 1:10) meaning set for our day or time frame, so Jesus as Messiah would Not come (Revelation 22:20) in the first century, but at our time period to fulfill such passages as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
     
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    According to Scripture I find Jesus is 'Lord' (the lower-case Lord of Psalms 110, whereas the LORD God is in all upper-case letters in the KJV Bible translation to distinguish between the two LORD/Lord's).

    Jesus as Lord is the Lord mentioned at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
    Jesus has the voice of the archangel. It does Not say Jesus has God's voice.
     
  7. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Which god is that? Zeus? Odin? Mithra?

    When you name and can establish the existence of any of the thousands of gods men have claimed exist, then we can talk. Until then, all you have is mythology.

    A Muslim would tell you that Allah has commanded you to obey certain rules to obtain His mercy. He has made it very clear what they are. The choice to obey them is yours. If you understand why that is meaningless to you, you understand why your beliefs are meaningless to me. Virtually anything posted predicated on the existence of your god or any other is meaningless to an unbeliever until you establish the existence of your preferred flavor of deity. Arguments need to begin with shared premises.
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    In looking over Ezekiel chapters 40 to 47 I find it of interest to note that in both visions, of Ezekiel's temple and the Revelation vision of the holy city of Jerusalem, that in both cases there is the flowing forth of the river of life, and there are the leaves of the tree of life ( 'tree of life' as introduced to us in Genesis ) on Earth for food and for healing (Ezekiel 47:12). Both visions showing appreciation for God's kingship, and His provision for salvation (deliverance/ rescue) for those willing to serve God.
    - Ezekiel 43:4-5; Revelation 21:10-11; Ezekiel 47:1,8-9,12; Revelation 22:1-3.
     
  9. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Same answer to you as to the last poster. Speak to an atheist like he is an atheist if you don't care to be rejected out of hand. Presuming the existence of a god not accepted by both parties and arguing from there is pointless. Establish the existence of your god first.
     
  10. Rival

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    It's called plagiarism.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    I find it outstanding that Ezekiel prophecies about Messiah.
    The one who has the legal right to David's throne at Ezekiel 21:27; Ezekiel 34:23-24; Ezekiel 37:24-25.
    Since David was dead, then Ezekiel would be speaking about the coming one to be both David's Son and Lord.
    Both Ezekiel and Isaiah speaks of a twig being put on high by God - Ezekiel 17:22-24; Isaiah 11:1-3.
    In Scripture Jesus is Messiah which both Ezekiel and Isaiah looked forward.
     
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    Except none of the prophecies about world peace and all Israel returning to the Holy Land have happened.
     
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    Psalm 82:6 we are children of the Most High. Most High what? The most high God. So there are other gods? Though there are gods that are many, there is only one God we worship.

    I also posted those scripture to show god is merely a title, not a name. The capital 'G' shows God is the most high, the God we worship and look to for salvation. Men, not only judges, have become like gods, judging between good and evil. Those passages say nothing about them being called gods due to them judging above gods judgment.

    let them have dominion, Gen. 1:26.

    man is become as one of us, Gen. 3:22.

    be holy: for I … am holy, Lev. 19:2; 1 Pet. 1:16.

    thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, Ps. 8:5.

    madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands, Ps. 8:6.

    Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High, Ps. 82:6.

    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48.

    spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have, Luke 24:39.

    Is it not written in your law … Ye are gods, John 10:34.

    we are the offspring of God, Acts 17:29.

    heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, Rom. 8:17.

    changed into the same image from glory to glory, 2 Cor. 3:18.

    if a son, then an heir of God through Christ, Gal. 4:7.

    Till we all come … unto a perfect man, Eph. 4:13.

    when he shall appear, we shall be like him, 1 Jn. 3:2.

    him that overcometh will … sit with me in my throne, Rev. 3:21.
     
  14. Nathan Malone

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    Psalm 82:6
    "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

    John 10:34-36
    "34 Jesus answered them, Is it notwritten in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

    Romans 8:17
    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    Do not minimise the role of Son of God. It is another way of saying Only Begotten of God, and is a very sacred title. We are all children of God, and therefore Ye are gods. But there is only one Son of God. He had no earthly father. His father was God the Father who placed Jesus in Mary's womb, so that one member of the Godhead could suffer in the flesh so that we could be heirs of God. When a king has an heir, that heir will become king, think about that. God will give us all he has, just as he has already given it to Jesus who rules on his right hand.
     
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    Agree, both God and LORD/Lord are merely titles, and Not the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) name.
     
  16. az604

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    @OP: it seems that you're closer to Islam than to Christianity on this topic. Have you researched the Muslim point of view on this?
     
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