Is critiquing the gay community the new antisemitic behavior?

[Father Heathen]

The reason I titled this is because there appears to be. a rushed to judgment in categorizing someone as "homophobic" or "anti-semitic." I use the concept of anti-semitism because due to what I read from blogs from Jewish websites, articles, and plain ole' conversation, there appears to be a rush to judgment on an individual(s) critique on Israel and that being labeled as anti-semitic. Similarly, if someone does not believe in homosexuality somehow they are labeled as having an irrational fear thus bring called "homophobic." For example back in 2008-2009 in west hollywood an owner of a popular resturant which gay patrons attended frequently apparently supported the initiative of not allowing gays to marry. Some how gay patrons caught wind of it and protested outside. Some threw objects at the building hitting patrons inside (I assume people were on an outside patio). This resulted in a loss of business from gay customers. Now, whatever this owner did was his/her personal business but I sense that if one does not agree with accepting homosexuality they are labeled homophobic. Similarly if someone criticize Israel they are somehow anti-semitic.

Now from personal beliefs do I agree with homosexual lifestyle? Not entirely. The reason why is because of personal experiences. I used to be hit on by gay men and transsexuals and apparently there is this idea that all straight men are inhetently gay and its not gay if 1) You don't tell anyone and 2) If the transsexual considers himself a female its not being gay or having gay tendencies. Now does me criticizing this as a problem in the gay community label me as a homophobe? Personally I don't think so but many straight guys go through this so my thing is there should be a dialogue and some form of understanding between the communities as to what is considered hateful or constructive criticism.

There's nothing constructive about making irrational, unsubstantiated assertions about any group of people, nor about attempting to deny them freedoms, rights and equality when there exists no logical justification to do so.

 

[ChristineES]

Equating homosexuality with murder, rape, bestiality, and pedophilia huh?

Aren't you cute.

I was thinking along the same lines. I can't believe anyone would say that-- but I am rather idealistic.

 

[otokage007]

Sure, I would expect many places to deny us because they either can't accommodate our needs - kosher meals, separating women from men, etc... or because they don't agree with out practices.

So you are ok with someone discriminating you. Weird, but interesting.

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Ok, your turn I guess. Please look for the health issues of being gay.

I don't like wearing my seat belt, I don't like being denied my marijuana, i don't like living...etc... The list goes on and on. What is harmful about those actions?

1) Not wearing your seabelt is dangerous and harmful to yourself. Plus if you don’t wear seabelt you endanger the life of those that are in the car with you. I don’t want to make a macabre example of why.

2) I already explained why marihuana is also harmful.

3) You don’t like living? Well, do you know that if u commit suicide, someone has to take care of your body and clean the mess u have made? Those will be A) your family members, or B) State, and the state's money is the money of all citizens, so you are harming millions of people by commiting suicide.

 

[jasonwill2]

If the criticism is done in a constructive manner for constructive results, I'm for it. If it's done out of mere hate, I think it's wrong.
Rather or not it's the new antisemitic behavior...? I suppose it could be considered that to some.

But the "gay community" isn't a coherent group of people practicing a "lifestyle", most homosexuals are just like everyone else. You can't "pray the gay away" anymore than you can "pray the straight away", its an insanely heavy genetic component to it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Are people born to murder? rape? attracted to animals? attracted to children?

Are you honestly trying to equate something benign between consenting adults to things that victimize innocent people/creatures? Less bible, more brains.

 

[waitasec]

Are people born to murder? rape? attracted to animals? attracted to children? The list goes on.

my suggestion, fwiw....stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Me Myself]

this happens with a lot of things, not only "homophobic" and "antisemitic" but also "sexist" and "racist"

Nothing new or special about it, same ol same ol simplistic enthusiastic sensationalistic superficial human judgement to stuff they are to lazy to think about.

 

[ChristineES]

I get really upset when I see, hear, or think about some of the things fellow humans do to each other.

 

[waitasec]

what do you expect from evolving animals?

 

[s2a]

The reason I titled this is because there appears to be. a rushed to judgment in categorizing someone as "homophobic" or "anti-semitic." I use the concept of anti-semitism because due to what I read from blogs from Jewish websites, articles, and plain ole' conversation, there appears to be a rush to judgment on an individual(s) critique on Israel and that being labeled as anti-semitic. Similarly, if someone does not believe in homosexuality somehow they are labeled as having an irrational fear thus bring called "homophobic." For example back in 2008-2009 in west hollywood an owner of a popular resturant which gay patrons attended frequently apparently supported the initiative of not allowing gays to marry. Some how gay patrons caught wind of it and protested outside. Some threw objects at the building hitting patrons inside (I assume people were on an outside patio). This resulted in a loss of business from gay customers. Now, whatever this owner did was his/her personal business but I sense that if one does not agree with accepting homosexuality they are labeled homophobic. Similarly if someone criticize Israel they are somehow anti-semitic.

Now from personal beliefs do I agree with homosexual lifestyle? Not entirely. The reason why is because of personal experiences. I used to be hit on by gay men and transsexuals and apparently there is this idea that all straight men are inhetently gay and its not gay if 1) You don't tell anyone and 2) If the transsexual considers himself a female its not being gay or having gay tendencies. Now does me criticizing this as a problem in the gay community label me as a homophobe? Personally I don't think so but many straight guys go through this so my thing is there should be a dialogue and some form of understanding between the communities as to what is considered hateful or constructive criticism.

Im answer to your premised question, the answer is "Mo".

 

[tumbleweed41]

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[Father Heathen]

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[Revoltingest]

If someone's dogma morally ranks homosexuality with crimes, then they should express this.
It becomes an opportunity to advocate that public policy be pro gay (& other) rights.
Opinions can change, & this is how it happens. It can be done with civility.

 

[Alceste]

If someone's dogma morally ranks homosexuality with crimes, then they should express this.
It becomes an opportunity to advocate that public policy be pro gay (& other) rights.
Opinions can change, & this is how it happens. It can be done with civility.

. I think it's good to have consistent moderation. If you want to accept the "gay people = scum " comments, then you would have to allow all the " black people = scum " comments. Then you might as well be Stormfront.

I also think talking to actual gay people is more likely to change minds than letting homophobes freely spew hate speech that is likely to make gay people feel unwelcome.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

If someone's dogma morally ranks homosexuality with crimes, then they should express this.
It becomes an opportunity to advocate that public policy be pro gay (& other) rights.
Opinions can change, & this is how it happens. It can be done with civility.

You mean allowing the expression to be a testimony to the greater public of what is the definition of intolerance?

I guess it's like letting KKK rallies and parades have government protection, all the while outsiders being reminded of what hate and intolerance looks like up close.

Or maybe I'm not following you. There's already a lot of that going on with the likes of Fred Phelps and the responses they get from the public-at-large.

 

[otokage007]

I wonder what on Earth saw Jesus in his age to become an homophobic. lol

 

[s2a]

This warning post is akin to setting fire to an orphanage.

THINK of the CHILDREN!!!

 

[Revoltingest]

You mean allowing the expression to be a testimony to the greater public of what is the definition of intolerance?
I guess it's like letting KKK rallies and parades have government protection, all the while outsiders being reminded of what hate and intolerance looks like up close.
Or maybe I'm not following you. There's already a lot of that going on with the likes of Fred Phelps and the responses they get from the public-at-large.

I'm thinking more of discussions in forums, rather than public displays which are more adversarial.
Allowing discussion & the proffering of bad ideas is a chance to convert the wicked.....so to speak.

 

[Alceste]

I'm thinking more of discussions in forums, rather than public displays which are more adversarial.
Allowing discussion & the proffering of bad ideas is a chance to convert the wicked.....so to speak.

Meh. I honestly don't think anybody who argues that homosexuals are in the same category as murderers and pedophiles is open to being converted by reason. What they need is to come to terms with their own repressed homosexuality, and they're not going to do it here. They should be out in anonymous airport restrooms venting their frustrations about homosexuality in a more psychologically healthy way.

Whereas, people who are undecided on the subject of gay marriage, but who have perhaps been excessively influenced by repressed, self-hating homosexuals, are more likely to come to a reasonable and fair conclusion on the subject if they are given the opportunity to talk to actual gay people. If we let the self-hating repressed homosexuals scare off all the normal homosexuals with their hate speech, there won't be any real gay people here for the "undecided" crowd to talk to. And that would be a terrible tragedy! :yes:

Food for thought.

 

[otokage007]

I bet he has some gay friends, but I guess they will never tell him lol I wouldn't either.