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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Christians believe that Jesus will do all of those things when he returns. Which prophecy in specific did Jesus not fulfill?


     
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    I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make him drink. Someday, when you decide to drink, let me know.
     
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    But Jews aren't Christian and don't believe that. You should discuss your beliefs with people who share them.
     
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    How can anyone other than God be a Savior? If someone described themselves as a Savior, it would be blasphemous, or at least prideful and arrogant.
     
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    I understand that Jewish people aren't Christians and believe different things. I was responding to that article's opinion that says that Jesus isn't the Messiah because certain prophecies aren't fulfilled yet.
     
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    Let's assume the answer is "no." Then, since a messiah is not God, you just made a very important point.
     
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    Great. You are sharing your opinion that Jesus will take care of those things at some later date. So what?
     
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    I believe that people who say you can't save everyone are being prideful because I understand what they are saying but they are not a Savior.
     
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    and I believe that that is a wholly irrelevant statement as I said nothing that would connect with that response.
     
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    Do you think it's Jewish or Christian to describe a person as a Savior? Even Jews wouldn't agree with that. They said that God is a Savior as in God saves us from our troubles. That supports that the title of Savior is a title that only belongs to God.
     
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    I was responding to your opinion that Jesus didn't fulfill these prophecies. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

     
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    The Messiah is described as a Savior in the Old Testament. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

     
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    You realize that the biblical text does refer to certain people as "saving" others or at least having the potential to save others, right? The word "moshiah" (savior) is used in Sam 1, and in Deuteronomy to refer to a person.

    You should also review Isaiah 43:11 and think about how it seems to contradict Isaiah 19:20.
     
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    Yes, you responded to my opinion with your opinion. So noted.
     
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    Great! And if that's the case, then the answer has to be "yes"! That then makes the 2 citations I just gave about humans being called saviors less problematic. Well done!
     
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    I was saying that Jesus didn't fulfill these prophecies because he didn't fulfill the other ones ignores that the other ones are to be fulfilled later. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

     
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    Just because human beings are called saviors, that doesn't mean its appropriate.
     
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    Yes, it ignores the belief that ones will be filled later because that belief is inconsistent with the entirety of Judaism.
     
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    Oh. So when God's bible refers to other people as saviors, God is speaking inappropriately?
     
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    The Old Testament doesn't refer to humans as saviors in a way that gives them worship or glory.
     
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