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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey. Jesus said in Matthew 23:37

     
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    Jesus will come on a white horse in the future when 1/3 of Israel is saved when Israel is heavily evangelized during the Tribulation. When Jesus came the first time and his own rejected him, he came on a donkey.
     
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    How is the belief of a foretold Messiah having teachings Avodah Zara?
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Any time you make something from heaven above or earth below into a deity (that includes a man like Jesus) this is avodah zarah for the Jew.
     
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    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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    It takes some real talent, but it seems you guys managed it. Kudos.
     
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  6. Skywalker

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    That is circular reasoning that assumes that Jesus is a mere man.
     
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    Greetings. You do know what the term Avodah Zara means, right?

    I will explain.
    1. The concept of "messiah" that is put forth in the New Testament is Avodah Zara. I.e. the meaning of the word (and what kind of individual it is supposed to describe) put forth by the NT is Avodah Zara.
    2. Further, statements made by the NT authors about Jesus are Avodah Zara.
    3. The future expectations taught by various NT authors from Matthew to Revelations and how they have been historically interpreted from the time they were written, to the Church Father's allucidations on them, and how they are perceived today are Avodah Zara.
    For example, the following statements made in the NT are a few examples of Avodah Zara concepts in the NT text.

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    Thus, Torath Mosheh Jews and Orthodox Jews were warned by Hashem to stay away from such.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    There you go. You just answered one of the reasons why it is Avodah Zara. See, you didn't need us to tell you that.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    All Christians agree that Jesus was a man. Now, you worship Jesus as God do you not? That, for Jews, is avodah zarah. You asked, and now you have been answered.
     
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    Isaiah 53:3 describes the Messiah as a man of sorrows. Isaiah 53:3

     
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  12. Skywalker

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    I was saying that that comment was under the assumption that Jesus is a mere man, and the opinion was based on that, which is circular reasoning.
     
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    but saying that he was not a "mere man" is the essence of the problem, so by saying that limiting Jesus to "mere man" is a bad assumption, you are confirming the problem.
     
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  14. Skywalker

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    the Tanakh says that the Messiah would come before the destruction of the second temple. First he would come to do a,b, and c and the second time he would do x, y , and z. The idea of the second coming of the Messiah is supported in the Tanakh. It's where teachings like there are two messiahs come from, which neither me or other people on this thread agree with. I don't agree with that teaching, but truth and lies are mixed and the idea of a second coming is implied in the Tanakh. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

     
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    No it doesn't.
     
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    Yes, I know. Your statement is again Avodah Zara. You are on fire. Keep up the good work.

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    If you really know what the Tanakh says can you please translate the following for me in one hour?

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    The destruction of the second temple is foretold in the Old Testament.

    Daniel 9:27

    Daniel 11:31

    Source: 13 Bible verses about The Second Temple
     
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    Daniel 9:27 talks about the second temple being desecrated by the Romans.

     
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    Didn't you admit earlier that you don't know Hebrew? Did you all of a sudden get fluent? If so, can you translate the following and tell me where it comes from? Thanks.

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