And it's worth noting that we have a lot of men on this discussion, but no gods. So lots of grains of salt going around.Hi,
Jesus said: "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are Possible."
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And it's worth noting that we have a lot of men on this discussion, but no gods. So lots of grains of salt going around.Hi,
Jesus said: "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are Possible."
He does come back as it says he will in Acts 1:11 and elsewhere.With all due respect, Jesus never promised to return to earth, not even once in the entire New Testament.
Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world, so why don't Christians believe what their own Bible says?
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Jesus never claimed to be a king, and He never said he was coming to rule.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”
When a believer has absolute certitude there is no uncertainty.How do you deal with the uncertainty that is inherent in belief? Do you ignore it?
Jesus said all who came before me are thieves and liars so they didn't enter the sheepfold by the door. They sneak in some other way. This is because Jesus fulfilled key prophecies proving he is the one who was prepared and hidden with the Father to be revealed in his time. And Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and another they won't follow.I think his point was that Krishna showed us the Father before Jesus showed us the Father, and that is what he meant by Hinduism being older.
Krishna appeared on this earth, at midnight, approximately 5,000 years ago in Mathura, located in Northern India, 91 miles south of New Delhi. Krishna is God as never seen before.Aug 22, 2011
The Birth of Krishna: When God Came To Earth | HuffPost
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But it's their desire to know God that can color what they think God is, and how the relationship is going. This is how we get Muslim extremists (who are so damn sure they are doing God's will that they are going to die) flying planes into buildings, or Christian extremists pushing to deny science in public schools because they interpret Genesis in a way that even Jews don't do. Where's the test in reality for those who seek a relationship with a god?The ones who want to know God don't want to know false things about him and those who wants to follow his guidance don't want to follow with that misguidance.
The 9-11 hijackers had it. This is why we ask questions.When a believer has absolute certitude there is no uncertainty.
Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me. So I don't believe I am in error.Sorry but it's fact that Hinduism existed about 1000 years before a jesus was even mentioned. So your belief is in error.
Christian "dogma" has no authority. What has authority is the Word of God by which all things have their form and being.I asked you if you're saying that Christian dogma has authority over all people, including those who believe in other ideas? And if so, by what authority do you claim this?
All over the world, all but every culture we've encountered has supernatural beings of various kinds in their lore. Since those cultures don't agree about what or who those beings are or what it is they do, that seems to rule out any particular version being correct ─ otherwise they all would have "seen" much the same supernatural thing.If humans can't unite on religion, is there a purpose to religion?
To me, that answer is definitely no.
The Christ Spirit has already returned just as it says in Acts 1:9-11.He does come back as it says he will in Acts 1:11 and elsewhere.
Jesus will reign forever in heaven, but never again will He reign on earth.Even though Jesus says he finished the work that doesn't mean he meant all his work. Because God says "Sit thou on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool"
So Jesus will reign on the right hand of all power until all his enemies are placed under his human feet.
But you are in error. There's no denial of that. The religious tradition of Hinduism was in a different part pf the planet than the tradition that Jesus evolved from, so why would Christianity have any relevance to Hindus?Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me. So I don't believe I am in error.
The Bible has no authority itself. What can a Bible do sitting on someone's coffee table?Christian "dogma" has no authority. What has authority is the Word of God by which all things have their form and being.
Are you admitting that you could be mistaken in your religious beliefs?I am not sure why you're even riled up by this claim. It either will happen or it won't. Nothing we say can stop it from happening if God said it. Don't you believe that at least?
Perhaps not -- but surely it's an important consideration that all those intelligent people who can read and understand a "proof" would accept it. And really, aren't those the ones that the religious folk would really like to get over to their side?Showing proofs does not mean the other person accepts it.
Jesus did not say that no one has ever come to the Father but through me and Jesus did not say that no one will ever come to the Father in the future but through me.Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me. So I don't believe I am in error.
You can cherry pick Bible verses till the cows come home to try to prove that Jesus is the Only Way, but you will never prove it because other verses disprove it. What about Moses, was he a thief and a liar? I don't think Jesus would agree with that.Jesus said all who came before me are thieves and liars so they didn't enter the sheepfold by the door. They sneak in some other way. This is because Jesus fulfilled key prophecies proving he is the one who was prepared and hidden with the Father to be revealed in his time. And Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and another they won't follow.
Just because some believers have certitude that does not mean they have the truth.The 9-11 hijackers had it. This is why we ask questions.
Are you certain? If a theist has absolute certitude then they have facts to show others. If they have no facts they are delusional.
In that case you are also not even seeking at all, because you also believe you have found the truth.No, I am not saying that. If you have a point to make please make it.
I already did my seeking and I found the truth from God for this age. If I have not determined that after over 50 years then I would have to be very inept at seeking.In that case you are also not even seeking at all, because you also believe you have found the truth.
I'm not cherry picking but I do make connections between different verses. Because that's how you get a clearer picture of things. You put them together when they are speaking about the same topic.You can cherry pick Bible verses till the cows come home to try to prove that Jesus is the Only Way, but you will never prove it because other verses disprove it. What about Moses, was he a thief and a liar? I don't think Jesus would agree with that.
Jesus' sheep heard His voice, but before that the Israelites heard the Voice of God through Moses. After that, the Muslims heard the Voice of God through Muhammad, and in this age the Baha'is have heard the Voice of God through Baha'u'llah.
Jesus said before Abraham was I am.Jesus did not say that no one has ever come to the Father but through me and Jesus did not say that no one will ever come to the Father in the future but through me.
When Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me He was referring to a certain time period, what is called a dispensation. Thus during the Christian dispensation no one could come to the Father except through Jesus.
Dispensation
e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.
- the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
- an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
- a divinely appointed order or age:
Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com
You're often vague, and others have not fully understood what you are talking about. Religion tends to be a set of rituals a person adopts and follows whereas theology is a more in depth study of a religion.
I wrote "A person can study religion objectively, but that means to not assume the supernatural elements that theists assume as the basis of their faith."
Really? How does an objective approach to what a religion teaches require to assume the supernal elements true? Objectivity means a factual approach, and thus far there's no supernatural phenomenon known to exist.
Why not? I mean there can't be two contradictory truths. Why would it work like that? Why would their be reincarnation in India but Jesus and resurrection in other places?But you are in error. There's no denial of that. The religious tradition of Hinduism was in a different part pf the planet than the tradition that Jesus evolved from, so why would Christianity have any relevance to Hindus?
The Bible is just the written prophecies of prophets that were inspired by the holy Spirit but they aren't all the Word of God. The Word of God holds everything together. It's what keeps the universe from falling apart basically. I'd say that's pretty authoritative if it holds you and me together.The Bible has no authority itself. What can a Bible do sitting on someone's coffee table?
Now you as a fallible mortal with beliefs that could be in error may believe you have authority through the Bible and act. But you are a fallible mortal who is prone to errors of judgment, not the Word. The Word does nothing. It has no authority.
It was for the sake of argument.Are you admitting that you could be mistaken in your religious beliefs?