It depends who's singing them at a service and how I accept the type of worship going along with the song.
That's my belief about Jewish Christianity and Messianic Judaism. The motivation of the person makes it godly or not.
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It depends who's singing them at a service and how I accept the type of worship going along with the song.
The bible says that Yeshua is THE way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the fatherexcept through him. YHWH's desire is that all people would be saved, this is something he wants for all people, but he has given us free choice, therefore it is our decision wether we will accept Yeshua as our savior and walk in his truth.
Messianic Judaism (I would actually consider that a bit of a misnomer because the Judaism of today is not completely biblical) is believing and walking in the principles and instructions laid out in the Torah, i.e, ten commandments, keeping the seventh day Sabbath, keeping the feasts, eating clean, etc, all summed up in loving YHWH and loving your neighbor. That together with putting your faith in Yeshua for redemption and cleansing of sin. The priesthood aspect was in place in part to be a mediator between man and YHWH, that in expectation for the coming of Yeshua who would become our great high priest in the order of Melchizedek.I would need more of an explanation of their beliefs than that. For instance, how can a religion focus on the Law without a temple? Unless, of course, one understands the temple to be different than one built of stone literally. There's more but I'll let it go at that for now.
Why would you say that Jewish Christianity didn't last long??
I would say first of all, that perhaps the reason Jewish Christianity seemed to disappear (I would actually just call them true Believers because it wasn't really specific to Jews who are just one tribe, it was for all Israel and all who were willing to join themselves to Israel like Ruth) is because Satan has done all in his power to divide and deceive. It is not a matter of it being for a certain time and people, just that we were told that the way is narrow and few find it. We know there will always be a remnant thoughThey were considered Jewish followers of Jesus. There is evidence they werent characterized by both covenants. Rabbinic Judaism developed after many non-Jews became Christians. Nicene Christianity wasn't the original Christianity. Jewish Christians mostly disappeared by the fifth century. There are only fragments of Jewish Christian gospels.
I would say first of all, that perhaps the reason Jewish Christianity seemed to disappear (I would actually just call them true Believers because it wasn't really specific to Jews who are just one tribe, it was for all Israel and all who were willing to join themselves to Israel like Ruth) is because Satan has done all in his power to divide and deceive. It is not a matter of it being for a certain time and people, just that we were told that the way is narrow and few find it. We know there will always be a remnant though
The inclusion of non-Jews led to a growing split between Jewish Christians (i.e. the Jewish followers of Jesus) and non-Jewish Christians. From the latter, Nicene Christianity eventually arose, while mainstream Judaism developed into Rabbinic Judaism. Jewish Christians drifted apart from mainstream Judaism, eventually becoming a minority strand which had mostly disappeared by the fifth century. Jewish–Christian gospels have been lost except for fragments, so there is considerable uncertainty as to the scriptures used by this group.
The split of Christianity and Judaism took place during the first centuries CE.[1][2] While the First Jewish–Roman War and the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE were main events, the separation was a long-term process, in which the boundaries were not clear-cut.[1][2]
I think that people not agreeing with what the Bible says about salvation and following Yeshua is deceptionDo you think people not agreeing with Messianic Judaism is about deception? Jewish Christian - Wikipedia
How is this not possible?How is this possible?
Do you mean how is it not possible for a Jew to reject Yeshua as the messiah?How is this not possible?
I know her story. I grew up on it. God didn't love here father and sister enough to save them from the Nazis apparently.
Yes, we are. But any religion that teaches that God has a literal burning lake of fire that will burn, hurt and torment people forever is not being used by the one true God that judges all and everything.
On the other hand, would I just allow someone to maliciously pluck my eye out? I doubt it. Or how about rape? Would I resist that? Yes, I'd fend if off I could. Frankly, I'd think that would be in compliance with the law of Moses and what Jesus said. Does that mean I should kill someone that someone else told me to kill because of national alliances? Naw, I frankly doubt it. Plus Jesus did not fight, but he left the scene when he thought there would be a violent confrontation, and if he could get away. But he also knew his time came when he was arrested. Before that, when confronted in a argument, such as when the Devil approached him thinking he would tempt Jesus, he told him to go away. And he did.
While God reads the heart of the individual, a religion is also responsible for how it operates, what it teaches, and applies.That's my belief about Jewish Christianity and Messianic Judaism. The motivation of the person makes it godly or not.
The application of what happens in the metaphorical Lake of Fire must be in accord with a God that is Love. Love would not keep alive in consciousness anyone that is unsaved, tormenting or torturing them forever, as if they could feel or think. Going back to the beginning, God offered life or death to the first two inhabitants. Not life vs. eternal torture. It was life -- or -- death. This is integral to understanding who God is. Jehovah wants the living to know what happened to Adam and Eve.I personally don't understand the fire to be a physical burning, more a mental torment at the realisation of what it means to be separated from the love of God. The language of the parable draws a comparison between the earthly and heavenly, or material and spiritual.
You think it is bad to leave family members who do not live according to God's will? Take a look at what the Law of Moses says about this:I understand what you're saying. However, I do think it's wrong to forsake ones commiment to family and children for a hundred-fold reward and eternal life.
From a Jewish perspective it is highly suspicious that Jesus is a Jewish Rabbi if he tempted people with reward for breaking up the sanctity of the home. A scriptural source for this can be found in the laws of the sotah (numbers 5:23), where the name of God can be erased for the purpose of maintaining the sanctity of the marriage.
The application of what happens in the metaphorical Lake of Fire must be in accord with a God that is Love. Love would not keep alive in consciousness anyone that is unsaved, tormenting or torturing them forever, as if they could feel or think. Going back to the beginning, God offered life or death to the first two inhabitants. Not life vs. eternal torture. It was life -- or -- death. This is integral to understanding who God is. Jehovah wants the living to know what happened to Adam and Eve.
On another note, Jesus was condemning the false religious teachers when he gave his illustration, or parable about a rich man and Lazarus and what would happen after his death to the groups represented by those two characters. He wasn't speaking of someone literally talking from a place down below to someone literally residing in "Abraham's bosom."
I completely agree with that!I see no contradiction between a God who loves and forgives, and a God who brings judgment. True justice is what we deserve, whereas mercy is really only God's to offer. Mercy is the same as opportunity. It's the opportunity to acknowledge sin and live in a new way.
There's an informative passage in 2 Peter 3:8 that says, 'The Lord is not slack concerning his promise [to bring judgment], as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.'
Mercy is, I believe, forgiveness with a purpose. God's love is wanting us to do what is holy, and live according to his standard of righteousness.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man may be nearer to the literal truth than you imagine. If souls descend into the grave (sheol), there to await the day of the Lord's coming, then I cannot see any reason why the grave may not itself be divided, with a gulf between the faithful (those in Abraham's bosom) and unfaithful.
But more important than waiting for an outcome that's hard to predict is to get things right now!
By the way, I can't believe I forgot, the Book of Mormon has one of its two main goals to convert Jews to Christianity. I would refer any Jew to it that was interested over my own postings.
Sometimes evidence in law is hidden, like when a spouse sell assets before a divorce. Isaiah 53 used to be read in synagogues but the rabbis removed it from the yearly reading.
Thanks for the offer but I think I can speak for all of the Jews here when I say we are good.