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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Oct 6, 2018.

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  1. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Deus Lux Mea Est
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    People, stop replying to the troll and just report them. It's dragging the thread off topic and you'll never get anywhere with them so don't bother.
     
  2. Wild Fox

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    All martyrs and saints day which goes back to the 4th century may have started as a holiday in late May or early June but Pope Gregory IV transferred it in the 800's to November 1st the time of the Samhain festival which was continued to be celebrated by the Irish. They were still celebrating the festival of Samhain with its pre-Christian like rituals. The celebration on Samhain was not the same as the Original All Saints celebration and the carryover to the Halloween celebration shows the distinction. All souls day is a different celebration starting in 993 at the monastery in Cluny. The gods and goddesses names may have been replaced early on but the rituals and sacred places persisted. The church actively converted these persisting rituals and sacred places in to Christian ones. If you want to celebrate the original All Saints day do it in late May or early June, If you want to celebrate the converted Samhain celebration and it meaning then celebrated it on Halloween.
     
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  3. Saint Frankenstein

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    What exactly is your point? That Halloween is "pagan" or whatever? If you want to celebrate Samhain, do it. I don't really care what you want to call it. I had in mind fundie Christians who think Halloween is some "evil" "pagan" or "satanic" thing and was trying to point out that it's a Christian holiday. I get tired of their attitudes and anti-Catholicism when it comes to those things.
     
  4. Dragonslayer

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    I'm not judging you by pointing out what the Bible says, I know the Bible is highly offensive to unbelievers because it exposes the truth about them and they find it extremely difficult to face the truth.

    The cold harsh truth is, we are all born as fallen sinners. We all gravitate to living a life of rebellion and sin against God and we get worse and worse as we get older, none of us would ever repent if God didn't draw us to Himself. So only those who God draws to Himself will repent and God will convert them into His saints by giving them the gift of His holy Spirit.

    Everything you say sounds perfectly normal and good to a carnal person, but those of us who have the Holy Spirit see everything from Gods perspective and we see straight through to the soul of a person. God has opened our spiritual eyes so we can no longer be deceived by the powers of Darkness.

    Every person who relies on their own wisdom and understanding WILL be deceived by Satan and His Demons, they are thousands of years old and they have super intelligence and powers to deceive. Nobody can escape their trap unless the Holy Spirit protects them from the lies.

    I'm not here to make myself sound better than you in any way, I'm sharing what has been revealed to me because I would love you to be illuminated by the truth which will set you free from bondage to deception.
     
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    I agree. This is an explanation from the Satanist Pagan organization I'm apart of on how Halloween is originally a Satanic holiday <3 Samhain
     
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    I would be very glad to see you in heaven but you can only get there on gods terms, you can't change or influence anything about the way God ordained things to be. All you can do is repent, believe and obey. You were created by God and you fully belong to Him, so as His property you have no right to do what you want.

    I wouldn't concern myself with all of the details about Christs Crucifixion and suffering, at this point. You should consider the most important thing and deal with it first, before you ask questions about the details of His crucifixion.

    Jesus said that those who have fallen away should start over again, dump your baggage and come back to the Lord afresh. Try to pout the past behind you and look to the Lord for forgiveness and acceptance, deal witht eh main issue first and there will be plenty of time to address the other issues in time.
     
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    Yes Jesus came to seek the lost, the healthy don't need a physician.
     
  8. Shadow Wolf

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    I was set myself free from bondage and deception when I freed myself from the shackles of Jehovah's rule of tyranny.
    And deceived? Of what good would it serve for Lucifer to deceive one of his own? It's not like he has to hide from me, disguise himself, or lie to me.

    The only ones who are sinners, the only ones who are burdened and weighed down by sin, are those who are obsessed with sin and those who accept the burden and guilt and shame of sin. To those of us who do not ascribe to this concept of sin, are lives are not burdened by sin because we simply do not accept it or consider it.
    That would be wrong again. 10 years ago I was lucky I didn't get caught. Today jay walking is about the only crime I commit. Sin? I haven't sinned in about 16 years. My "time line" even shows the further I got away from god I got, the less intoxicated I am over all and I don't drink to drunkenness anymore. After a change in environment, I'm finding it hard to find hatred in myself to fuel my art that was a outlet of my anger and hatred.


    So I must be St. Devil Girl or something like that? A "triple agent" who doesn't even know they are a double agent? Or did god just need someone to keep his flock on their feet by sending out someone to become a lioness who will devour the sheep if they aren't sharp enough or start to stray and wonder?
    (some Christians describe me more in the former, as a "sheep that Christ is allowing to wonder for awhile before he calls me back.")
    You are failing miserably at that "not trying to sound better than you" thing, as you sound like a pretentious twat.
     
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    Preventative care is the best care. The healthy do need a doctor to help keep them healthy, because healthy or unhealthy people don't know blood levels of various things (such as cholesterol and blood sugar), and though they may be healthy now they may not be able to know of a coming problem. A healthy person seeing a physician for wellness checkups is a great way to keep a healthy person healthy, as it provides them with a guide of how to help stay healthy.
    Did you ever consider some of us don't want in on his terms?

    Pretty sure my mom created me, with a bit of help from my dad.


    I belong to no one. I am no one's property. I own myself. No one else does.
     
  10. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Hmmm... the commission on ministry in my denomination, it’s leaders and the rest of the denomination, the hospital where I did my clinical pastoral training, my graduate seminary, the many clergy colleagues from many denominations with whom I’ve worked, the people and communities I’ve served, the professionals who did my psychological evaluations prior to ordination, my spiritual directors, my grandfather, mother and father who were all clergy, my many Christian friends, and, most importantly, God, don’t seem to think that I’m either reprobate or depraved.

    And I think it’s both ballsy and disrespectful for you to suggest otherwise publicly, just so you can continue to delude yourself that you have all the answers.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    And yet, priests who believe rape little boys. Evangelists who believe fleece gullible people. Congress people who profess belief make decisions that perpetuate systemic violence.
     
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    You keep saying, “The Bible is very clear, the Bible is very clear.” What you have failed to understand is that the Bible cannot, by its very nature, be “very clear,” since it was created in such a way as to be multivalent. If you think the Bible is “very clear,” what you’re seeing is a very narrow perspective. Most of what I read of your posts presents a very narrow interpretation that leaves no room for forgiveness, acceptance, hospitality, loving kindness, forbearance, mercy, Justice, or love. What I’m reading here is a nasty sort of entitlement that drips easily off the tongue of one who is in a position of such entitlement.

    This view may serve to bring you a great deal of comfort. But remember that Jesus came, not only to comfort the afflicted, but to afflict the comfortable.
     
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    Fairy tale. Substitutionary Atonement is neither the only, nor, IMO, the best system of salvation presented in the Bible.
     
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    What a mean-spirited, wicked and unjustifiable thing to say. You have no right — especially as one who professes to follow Christ — to tell anyone such things, especially in public.

    Yet... you seem to be fellowshipping freely with us here... I suggest thou judge thyself.
    I never, ever feared my father. Nor do I fear God. Never had any reason to fear one who has loved me without condition or reservation.
    Get. Help.

    See above.

    I shall rejoice when I see you there, for I fully expect to see you.

    Correct.

    This is nearly the most vile load of crap I’ve ever heard put forth in the name of Jesus.

    No. That’s not what the Bible says. The Bible says that the father waits until the prodigal child returns and welcomes him with open arms. The Bible says that the shepherd leaves the flock to search out the one who is lost, and will bring that one home.
     
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    <with slack jaw and glazed, vacant stare>
    Join Us......

    Be one of Us.......
     
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    Holidays rise and change as cultures change, as different ways of understanding emerge, and as the need for meaning evolves with the human condition. As with every other celebration, Halloween carries layers of meaning and is efficacious as a celebration for many different reasons. None of them are inherently evil. We must all deal with our mortality, the inevitability of death, and our cultural fears in ways that serve us. Hallowe’en is one of my favorite holidays. It grieves me that some are so rigid in their faith walks and in their fear of the supernatural that they feel they can’t embrace it in a way that might be meaningful for them.
     
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    DUDE! Listen to yourself!

    TORTURE CAN NEVER-EVER-EVER-EVER BE JUSTIFIED!

    EVER!

    Torture? Is 100% Evil-- Always, No Matter What!

    Why is this too complex for you to grasp?
     
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