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G.W. Bush's Idealism is Winning the World
- Thread starter Debunker
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You guys would actually be very angry if the world would give credit to your country for being the leader in democracy. It would kill your souls if another people had praise for your way of life. Your hate for Bush has so blinded your vision that you would sacrifice the sanity of the world so you could say you told us so. Keep pulling for the enemies of our country, people do see what side you are really on. Certainly not on the peoples side.
You are a semantic artist. I compared Bush's idealism to that of Plato. You knew that but it does not make a difference to your ill-feelings for anybody that will not accept your liberal view of the world. So far this thread does remind me of fishing. Why do liberal have to be so narrow minded?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Anyone familiar with politics and history are well aware that Bush attempted to undermine the constitution and opposed freedom, rights and equality for many U.S. citizens, so continuing to tout him as an example of "U.S. idealism" is silly.
As for Egypt and Tunisia, given the religion, culture and political atmosphere of their societies, it's likely these countries' own people would likely elect muslim fundamentalists. It wouldn't have anything to do with secular, western liberals. Also, you do realize that Bush is despised by everyone on that corner of the "planit", right?
As for Egypt and Tunisia, given the religion, culture and political atmosphere of their societies, it's likely these countries' own people would likely elect muslim fundamentalists. It wouldn't have anything to do with secular, western liberals. Also, you do realize that Bush is despised by everyone on that corner of the "planit", right?
Not everyone's ideals embody constitutional liberties.
In this regard, Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc are all peas in a pod.
As stated, the liberal we have heard from on this thread would rather see the extremest Muslims take over Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, and the whole Middle East then to give GWB any credit for American idealism. You several that have responded have vented you ill will towards GWB, so please let it go. There are many broad minded liberal Democratic members that have something to say about this thread but will stay away if you guys remain around with your narrow minded snake oil. If nobody else but you typical respondents, let the thread die.
Many people around the world respect GWB. The liberal around the world have no respect for Bush. I give you that but world politics is casting off liberalism in many countries. Bush is loved by these people but the liberal who control the press will not Melchisedec, king of Salem,tell this story and you guys keep playing this hate thing to the top of your propaganda list. You take away your propaganda, you have nothing left, no policies the American people want, very little leadership, and no body believes you are sincere. The national vote proves this fact. You can blame it on Fox and talk radio but the fact is that America just does not believe you. That the reason that while you always said everybody hated GWB that he ignored your hateful words, and went ahead and beat you in the elections. You guys believe your own false statements. Can you not see that GWB was not like you say he was?
The liberal have the largest propaganda machine that has ever existed in the world. The fact is that few people believe it. People on this forum do not believe your rants either. They ignore the threads you take over. Most people here have common sense. Therefore if you guys have spoken your peace, stay away. We know your ideas on the subject of this thread and we are not interested in more.
OH! A Jimmy Carter fan.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Jimmy seemed a nice guy, but we didn't share much politically.
He was particularly shameful for saying "nu cu lar"....since he studied some nuclear physics.
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Jimmy Carter represents a long line of liberals that have their political links that stretch back to Neville Chamberlain. Like Obama, in reference to the peoples rebellion against tyranny , his liberal cowardliness of European liberal criticism of American idealism, Obama remained silent. He chose silence in the face of the march of freedom to avoid the criticism of American interference in Mid Eastern politics. I wonder if Obama is waiting to see who wins the conflict between idealism and a tyrannous government in Egypt? It appears that the President has not decided which side he should apologize to, showing a complete lack of moral principles that GWB did have.
Luminous
non-existential luminary
YOU ARE DESTROYING AMERICA
YOU ARE A VILE DISEASE
"ideal" enough for ya?
the difference between "idealists" and "realists" is that idealists dont care about truth; they are merely occupied with themselves, their vanity, and their self-congratulation.
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Luminous
non-existential luminary
rebell against the tyranny of Israel you hypocrite.
that is what a vast majority of these "democratic" egyptians want to do.
did you forget?
or are you still too busy congratulating yourself?
VILE DISEASES
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Haha - nobody respects GWB. He can't travel anywhere in the world without people and governments demanding his arrest for war crimes.
The only people who respect him now are delusional holdouts.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
You're joking right.
Carter is the 1st president who tied Human Rights to US foreign policy. Carter did not let Americans go to the Olympics In the USSR, started a war in Afghanistan, and lead a boycott of grain to the USSR. Not at all like Neville Chamberlain. Did you forget Neville Chamberlain gave Hitler Czechoslovakia for peace. And by the way he was a conservative. Please tell how Carter was like Chamberlain in any way.
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As I recall, Reagan was big on human rights too....Berlin Wall, Soviets.
He was more effective in this regard than Carter was.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Reagan's efforts had more to do with capitalism vs. communism than it did with any genuine concern for human rights. During the Cold War the U.S. had a history of backing brutal and abusive dictators and paramilitary groups in opposition to perceived communist influence. Reagan would've tossed a live grenade into a maternity ward full of newborn babies to fend off the red menace.
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Human rights is complicated.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Sorry I edited the part on Reagan before I looked at your post.
I do agree the Reagan was correct in seeing weakness of the Soviet Union. In this area he was more correct then all Presidents before him. I am not a fan of Reagan but the truth is the truth. He also was a good leader who gave the American people confidence. I just believe in many areas he lead America in the wrong direction. (Energy is just one of the areas he was completely wrong and hurt our country)
The Soviet Union fell because of internal problems (e.g. Stalinism). It would have fell in the long term even if Reagan was not the president. Every American President stood against the soviets. They all deserve credit.
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I voted against him in both elections anyway.