Fauci more or less admits the Corona virus was manipulated.

[Shadow Wolf]

From my link and your link

"Gain of function "is medical research that alters an organism or disease in a way that increases pathogenesis, transmissibility, or host range (the types of hosts that a microorganism can infect).

Fauci point blank denied increasing transnissability is gain of function, yet both your and my link says it is.

You apparently missed this:
MIT molecular biologist Alina Chan has argued that these experiments would not have been affected by the 2014 moratorium, because the experiments involved "naturally-occurring viruses" and could not be "reasonably anticipated to increase transmissibility and/or pathogenicity", adding that the moratorium had "no teeth."[83]

 

[We Never Know]

You apparently missed this:
MIT molecular biologist Alina Chan has argued that these experiments would not have been affected by the 2014 moratorium, because the experiments involved "naturally-occurring viruses" and could not be "reasonably anticipated to increase transmissibility and/or pathogenicity", adding that the moratorium had "no teeth."[83]

You apparently missed this. Notice the red date and red whether the public should know.

Importantly, the US and EU regulations both mandate that an unaffiliated member of the public (or several) be "active participants" in the oversight process.[15][16][17][18] Significant debate has taken place in the scientific community on how to assess the risks and benefit of gain-of-function research, how to publish such research responsibly, and how to engage the public in an open and honest review.[19][20][7][21] As of January 2020, the United States is convening an expert panel to revisit the rules for gain-of-function research and provide more clarity in how such experiments are approved, and when they should be disclosed to the public.[2

 

[We Never Know]

You apparently missed this:
MIT molecular biologist Alina Chan has argued that these experiments would not have been affected by the 2014 moratorium, because the experiments involved "naturally-occurring viruses" and could not be "reasonably anticipated to increase transmissibility and/or pathogenicity", adding that the moratorium had "no teeth."[83]

And your might want to read this that happened in Dec 2017 and less that 2 years after we have Covid.


The National Institutes of Health (NIH) today lifted a 3-year moratorium on funding gain-of-function (GOF) research on potential pandemic viruses such as avian flu, SARS, and MERS, opening the door for certain types of research to resume.

Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance

And let me add, Under the Obama administration in 2014 gain of function research was shut down. It was reinstated under the Trump administration in Dec 2017.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Dr. Fauci's view aligns with current scientific consensus, which is that there is no evidence to suggest the virus has been engineered by humans. Rand Paul, on the other hand, is neither a medical expert nor a reliable source of information in general. He is a mere ideological extremist whose opinions on scientific matters carry no more weight than those of a random person on the street.

 

[We Never Know]

Dr. Fauci's view aligns with current scientific consensus, which is that there is no evidence to suggest the virus has been engineered by humans. Rand Paul, on the other hand, is neither a medical expert nor a reliable source of information in general. He is a mere ideological extremist whose opinions on scientific matters carry no more weight than those of a random person on the street.

Paul isn't trying to be a scientist. He asked straight out questions like....
"Is increasing a pathogenesis, transmissibility a gain of function"

Fauci says its isn't.

Yet that's exactly part of what it is by doing any research of what it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You apparently missed this. Notice the red date and red whether the public should know.

Importantly, the US and EU regulations both mandate that an unaffiliated member of the public (or several) be "active participants" in the oversight process.[15][16][17][18] Significant debate has taken place in the scientific community on how to assess the risks and benefit of gain-of-function research, how to publish such research responsibly, and how to engage the public in an open and honest review.[19][20][7][21] As of January 2020, the United States is convening an expert panel to revisit the rules for gain-of-function research and provide more clarity in how such experiments are approved, and when they should be disclosed to the public.[2

You need to provide how this virus fits with gain of function. Paul seems to have forgotten things like H1N1 and ebola are coronaviruses that made the jump from non human animal to humans. And likewise, with covid it went from non-human to human and then jumped again to several other animals.
That isn't gain of functioning. That's evolution at work. What evidence do you have other than twisting words around to suggest this is qualifies as gains in function?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Paul isn't trying to be a scientist. He asked straight out questions like....
"Is increasing a pathogenesis, transmissibility a gain of function"

Fauci says its isn't.

Yet that's exactly part of what it is by doing any research of what it is.

The question is loaded if that was the exact phrasing because, as I mentioned, there is no evidence that humans have intentionally increased the transmissibility of the virus.

What demonstrably leads to the birth of more transmissible and virulent variants of the virus, however, is lack of respect for precautions and medical advice such as masking, vaccination, and social distancing--all of which are routinely flouted by many of Rand Paul's ideological kin.

 

[We Never Know]

You need to provide how this virus fits with gain of function. Paul seems to have forgotten things like H1N1 and ebola are coronaviruses that made the jump from non human animal to humans. And likewise, with covid it went from non-human to human and then jumped again to several other animals.
That isn't gain of functioning. That's evolution at work. What evidence do you have other than twisting words around to suggest this is qualifies as gains in function?

Hard to do when no one is going to admit anything. Just like a murder will deny he did it. Its in their best interests to deny everything.

The gain of function research was reinstated in Dec 2017

The virus was here in less than 2 years

Gain of function increase a pathogens transmissibility. Yep that's happened

Gain of function also increases the pathogens immunogenicity. Yep we are having a problem with that.

One month(or so) in Jan 2020 after the virus was known the United States is convening an expert panel to revisit the rules for gain-of-function research.

Fauci denied any gain of function research going on and denied increasing transmissibility is gain of function, which is exactly part of what its is.

But it all must be coincidence.

And to mention....

Gain-of-function studies are most usually applied in virology and have revealed many details regarding the biological mechanisms behind virus transmission and replication.

The high replication and mutation rate of viruses commonly leads to escape mutants, lineages that have acquired changes to their genome that lessen or eliminate the affinity of natural or vaccine-induced antibodies towards the virus, while not notably lowering survival.

Most mutations a virus may acquire are deleterious to virus function, though in some cases mutation can both enhance virulence and allow better immune escape.

What is Gain-of-Function Research? | News-Medical

 

[We Never Know]

The question is loaded if that was the exact phrasing because, as I mentioned, there is no evidence that humans have intentionally increased the transmissibility of the virus.

What demonstrably leads to the birth of more transmissible and virulent variants of the virus, however, is lack of respect for precautions and medical advice such as masking, vaccination, and social distancing--all of which are routinely flouted by many of Rand Paul's ideological kin.

None that we the mere little public know of.

 

[Revoltingest]

He did get into a physical fight with a neighbor for being a privileged arseling with no real worries or concerns (the neighbor seemed much the same). And it was over lawn care, as apparently Paul is an oddball nutcase in his community where he mows his own lawn instead of paying a crew to do it.

Actually, the neighbor blindsided Paul in an unprovoked attack.
Whether odd or ignorant of epidemiology, let's not make him
look worse than he is.

Some relevant info about an argument about immunology & virology....
Fauci
Anthony Fauci - Wikipedia
".... an American physician-scientist and immunologist who serves as the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the chief medical advisor to the president."

Paul
Rand Paul - Wikipedia
"Paul specializes in cataract and glaucoma surgeries, LASIK procedures, and corneal transplants."

 

[We Never Know]

Actually, the neighbor blindsided Paul in an unprovoked attack.
Whether odd or ignorant of epidemiology, let's not make him
look worse than he is.

I wonder if it makes me a nutcase because I mow my own lawn(2.2 acres of it) instead of hiring it out.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder if it makes me nutcase because I mow my one lawn(2.2 acres of it) instead of hiring it out.

Yes, it does.
I mow even more.
Mowing one's own lawn is cost effective, fun, & necessary to get the desired results.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Watch the video!!

Here is the youtube url:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKJxfUdxu8

Spoiler: transcript of the video here

00:01
MIGHT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
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>> ASHLEY, CHANGE OF SUBJECT.
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I HAVE ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU I’LL
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PLAY FOR YOU PARTS OF THE CLASH
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TODAY NOW FAMOUS BETWEEN RAND
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PAUL AND DR. FAUCI.
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>> DR. FAUCI, KNOWING THAT IT IS
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A CRIME TO LIE TO CONGRESS, DO
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YOU WISH TO RETRACT YOUR
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STATEMENT OF MAY 11th WHERE YOU
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CLAIMED THAT THE NIH NEVER
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FUNDED GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH
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IN WUHAN?
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>> SENATOR PAUL, I HAVE NEVER
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LIED BEFORE THE CONGRESS AND I
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DO NOT RETRACT THAT STATEMENT.
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SENATOR PAUL, YOU DO NOT KNOW
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WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT QUITE
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FRANKLY.
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I WANT TO SAY THAT OFFICIALLY.
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YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
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TALKING ABOUT.
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>> SO, ASHLEY, TONIGHT TO UPDATE
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THE STORY, RAND PAUL, WHO IS
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OFTEN MORE PARTS PERFORMANCE
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ARTIST THAN HE IS CERTAINLY
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MEDICAL DOCTOR OR UNITED STATES
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SENATOR, WENT ON "HANNITY" TO
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SAY HE IS GOING TO ASK FOR A
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CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR FAUCI FOR
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LYING TO CONGRESS.
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WHERE DO YOU PUT THIS?
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IS THIS THE CULTURE WAR ON
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STEROIDS?
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IS THIS A MEDICAL DOCTOR, NOT
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JUST THAT, FOREMOST PUBLIC
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EXPERT OF OUR TIMES, AND A
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RECIPIENT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL
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MEDAL OF FREEDOM BACK WHEN THAT
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HAD ACTUAL MEANING, IS THIS JUST
01:24
A GUY WHO’S BEING SET UP AS A
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CULTURAL STRAW MAN?
01:27
>> IN SOME WAYS, YES, AND IN
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SOME WAYS THIS IS SORT OF A SIDE
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DEBATE AND KIND OF PET PEEVE,
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PET PROJECT OF SENATOR PAUL, WHO
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HAS FREQUENTLY GONE AFTER DR.
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FUCHI IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS
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THOUGH NOT AS COMBATIVELY AS WE
01:43
SAW TODAY.
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IT DOES KIND OF SPEAK TO AS YOU
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SAID THE BROADER, CULTURAL
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ISSUE.
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IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT "THE
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WASHINGTON POST" FACT CHECKER
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GAVE PREVIOUS CLAIMS BY SENATOR
01:54
PAUL AGAINST DR. FAUCI TWO
01:57
PINOCCHIOS SORT OF GROSSLY
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EXAGGERATED, FALSE AND
01:59
MISLEADING.
02:00
THIS AGAIN ON A MACRO LEVEL,
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SORT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT
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QUITE TRUE AND TO TAKE IT A STEP
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FURTHER IN OTHER INSTANCES NOT
02:08
THE WUHAN LAB BUT CORONAVIRUS IN
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GENERAL.
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THIS DISINFORMATION IS SOMETHING
02:13
THAT DR. FAUCI, THE MEDICAL
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PROFESSIONALS, THE BRAGG HAS
02:18
BEEN GRAPPLING WITH SINCE THEY
02:20
TOOK OFFICE NOT JUST ABOUT HIS
02:23
LEGITIMACY AS PRESIDENT, WHICH
02:24
HE WON THE ELECTION FAIRLY BUT
02:26
ABOUT CORONAVIRUS, IF VACCINES
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ARE HARMFUL TO YOU.
02:29
NOW AS WE SEE THE RISE OF THE
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DELTA VARIANT, SORT OF CULTURAL
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ISSUES GOING AFTER MEDICAL
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PROFESSIONALS PUSHING ANTIVAX
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CONSPIRACY HOAXES.
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THEY ARE NOT CULTURAL ISSUES FOR
02:42
REPUBLICANS BUT ARE BECOMING
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EVEN MORE SO INCREDIBLY
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DANGEROUS FOR THE NATION.
02:48
YOU ARE SEEING AN IRONIC TWIST.
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THE POPULATIONS RIGHT NOW WHO
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ARE NOT GETTING VACCINATED,
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SHOWING UP IN EMERGENCY ROOMS,
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CATCHING THE NEW VARIANT AND
02:57
HAVING CATACLYSMIC CONSEQUENCES
02:59
ARE THOSE WHO VOTED FOR
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PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO LISTEN TO
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FOX NEWS WHO BELIEVE THIS
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MISINFORMATION.
03:07
>> SAM STEIN YOU WERE OUT FRONT
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TODAY ON A STORY CHARACTERIZED
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BY A COUPLE PEOPLE ON SOCIAL
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MEDIA THIS WAY.
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IT’S AS IF FOX NEWS RECEIVED THE
03:16
BAT SIGNAL AND SEVERAL OF THEIR
03:18
PROMINENT ON AIR PEOPLE ARE
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SUDDENLY PRO VACCINATION, AT
03:22
LEAST NO LONGER CASTING DOUBT AT
03:25
EVERY OPPORTUNITY ABOUT THE
03:26
VACCINE.
03:27
TALK TO US ABOUT YOUR REPORTING.
03:29
DO WE CALL IT INTERACTION
03:30
BETWEEN THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE
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AND FOX NEWS?
03:33
DO WE CALL IT OUTREACH?
03:36
WHAT WORDING DO YOU PREFER?
03:38
>> I WOULD SAY TIPTOEING OR
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ARM’S LENGTH.
03:42
THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE MADE,
03:44
RAISED A LOT OF EYEBROWS LAST
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WEEK WHEN IT WENT AFTER SOCIAL
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MEDIA COMPANIES FOR SPREADING
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DISINFORMATION AROUND VACCINES.
03:53
WHAT WAS NOTABLE IS THAT THEY
03:55
HAD NOT DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR
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WITH FOX NEWS EVEN THOUGH I
03:59
THINK OBJECTIVELY WE CAN SAY
04:01
THAT SOME OF THE EVENING HOSTS
04:02
AND GUESTS HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE
04:05
CHIEF PURVEYORS OF
04:06
DISINFORMATION AND FEAR
04:07
MONGERING AROUND VACCINES.
04:08
WE WANTED TO EXPLORE WHY IT WAS
04:10
THE WHITE HOUSE WAS TAKING THIS
04:12
MORE MUTED APPROACH TO FOX.
04:13
THE ANSWER IS THEY DETERMINED
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THERE IS VERY LITTLE UPSIDE TO
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GOING AFTER FOX AGGRESSIVELY
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LIKE THAT.
04:19
YOU WILL TURN OFF THE VERY
04:20
PEOPLE YOU NEED TO CONVINCE TO
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TAKE THE VACCINE.
04:23
ON TOP OF THAT, THEY DON’T WANT
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TO PUT PEOPLE ON THESE EVENING
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PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY DON’T
04:28
THINK NECESSARILY THEY WOULD GET
04:30
A FAIR SHAKE.
04:32
WHAT IS NOTABLE, BRIAN, TO YOUR
04:34
POINT IS THAT YESTERDAY SEAN
04:36
HANNITY CAME OUT WITH AN
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IMPASSIONED PLEA MAYBE NOT
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IMPASSIONED BUT A PLEA TO TAKE
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VACCINES.
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WE HAVE SEEN A FEW OTHER HOSTS
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DO THE SAME.
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PERHAPS THEY ARE GETTING THE
04:44
SIGNAL.
04:44
THERE IS ONE OTHER THING I’D
04:46
LIKE TO PIGGY BACK ON TO
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ASHLEY’S POINT WHICH IS THE CLIP
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OF RAND PAUL AND DR. FAUCI IS
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SORT OF INDICATIVE OF THE
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PROBLEM THE WHITE HOUSE FACES IN
04:56
THAT THAT CLIP, WHICH DOES
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NOTHING TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION
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AROUND WHETHER OR NOT VACCINES
05:00
ARE EFFECTIVE AND WHETHER OR NOT
05:03
THIS HE SHOULD BE TAKEN, IT IS
05:05
MERELY AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THE
05:07
ORIGINS OF COVID, THAT CLIP IS
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GOING TO BE SHARED MOST
05:11
PROMINENTLY ON FOX EVENING
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BROADCASTS, FOX DAY TIME,
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CONSERVATIVE MEDIA, AND ONLINE
05:15
PLATFORMS.
05:15
THAT IS THE HURDLE THE WHITE
05:18
HOUSE FACES THAT THEY HAVE IN
05:21
THE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN BUT
05:22
ALSO INFORMATION THAT IS GOING
05:25
OUT INTO THE ETHER THAT GETS

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Rand Paul isn't a reliable person. He's fallen deep into the dark side of far right politics.

Nonsense. But I suppose anyone who isn't a Democrat (being the current anointed darlings) or a neocon warmonger like Liz Cheney is now "far-right".

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Nonsense. But I suppose anyone who isn't a Democrat (being the current anointed darlings) or a neocon warmonger like Liz Cheney is now "far-right".

Pfft, that's not true.... because I'll let the far right keep Liz Cheney even if she's not far right. My present to them.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Watch the video!!

In my opinion Fauci is same as admitting the virus was manipulated.

When Rand Paul says "taking a virus that only occurs in animals and then increasing its transmissibility to humans is gain of function"

Fauci says no isn't.

Rand Paul threatens Fauci with criminal referral

rand paul has no credibility, that was gone long ago

mary tyler green probably has more now, she’s around .000001%

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Pfft, that's not true.... because I'll let the far right keep Liz Cheney even if she's not far right. My present to them.

Neocons and neolibs like Biden are very similar, so if you like him, take her.

 

[exchemist]

Watch the video!!

In my opinion Fauci is same as admitting the virus was manipulated.

When Rand Paul says "taking a virus that only occurs in animals and then increasing its transmissibility to humans is gain of function"

Fauci says no isn't.

Rand Paul threatens Fauci with criminal referral

How do you work that out? There is no evidence SARS-CoV-2 came from any lab, so far as I am aware.

A criminal referral would be thrown out instantly.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Neocons and neolibs like Biden are very similar, so if you like him, take her.

Biden and I have a very "Sonic-Shadow", "Arwen-Eowyn", "Theodora/her sister", "Lindsey Graham and Trump pre Lindsey Graham being a Trump supporter", "Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio during 2016", "Kira and Sheyenne from the show Reba", relationship.

 

[We Never Know]

How do you work that out? There is no evidence SARS-CoV-2 came from any lab, so far as I am aware.

A criminal referral would be thrown out instantly.

I agree a criminal referral won't get far.

If a goverment(s) were behind research that created this virus, the public will never no.

Governments keep more from the public than they let them know.