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Featured Evidence for a Young Earth (Not Billions of Years Old)

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by ftacky, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:14 PM.

  1. ftacky

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    1) Genesis tells us God created all animals (dinos included) and humans in the same week. God created an already mature creation with adult humans, mature fruit-bearing trees, and starlight already reaching earth to be appreciated by Adam even though the stars are located billions of light-years away.

    2) Using the various Biblical genealogies and documented lifetimes, it appears the earth is about 6000 - 7000 years old.

    3) There is no error-free way to date the age of ancient items such as rocks, etc.. Various radiometric dating methods ALWAYS include multiple NON-provable steady-state assumptions in the calculations. This is why volcanic debris has been dated as millions of years old when it actually formed on a known date of an eruption - and submitted to the lab by the witness of the eruption to PROVE the erroneous nature of the calculations.

    4) The same erroneous steady-state type assumptions to date stalactites have us believe they can be over 100,000 years old when we see them hanging from cave ceilings. However, stalactites over 7 feet long have grown under the Lincoln Memorial which was built in 1922.

    5) Comets have a life span of up to 30 thousand years (max) by getting smaller as they lose mass in their 'tail' as they travel thru space. This contradicts the idea that comets started life along with the rest of the universe 14 billion years ago. So noticing the error, atheist scientists now claim new comets fly out of the Oort cloud. However, nobody has ever observed a comet originate in the Oort cloud, nor from any other area of the universe for that matter. No scientist has ever seen a new comet form anywhere.

    6) The 12th Century Prohm Temple in Cambodia has a Stegosaurus carved into the pillar. Did they do this because they saw one? The other animals carved into the pillar are modern animals so there is no reason to believe they didn't see the Stegosaurus. Skeptics say the head in the carving is too big to be a Stegosaurus. You be the judge:
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    7) There are various dino / human mud-footprint overlaps - are they genuine or hoaxes? Here are a few:
    See Creationist site: genesispark.com

    Delk Print: delk+print+2.jpg

    Feminine Print: fossil+3.png

    8) There are numerous modern man made objects which have been found encased in rock, thus proving rocks cannot be millions of years old: hammer with wooden handle, screw, spark plug, electrical plug, vase, etc.

    9) The Nampa Figurine: In 1889 a clay doll was brought up by a well drill from a depth of 320 feet. The figurine was found under several different strata including fifteen feet of lava basalt. According to standard evolutionary thinking, the stratum at this depth is about 2 million years old.
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    10) Preserved T-Rex soft tissue bone marrow was discovered when a T-Rex bone was accidentally dropped and broken open. The dark soft tissue material was scooped out and re-hydrated using a mild acid solution to plump it up. When put under a microscope, much to the surprise of evolutionist researchers, they saw FLEXIBLE blood vessels and Red Blood Cells! Here are some article and quotes:

    "Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution. Some regions of demineralized bone matrix are highly fibrous, and the matrix possesses elasticity and resilience. Thus, some dinosaurian soft tissues may retain some of their original flexibility, elasticity, and resilience." (2005, 307:1952).

    “There is still so much about ancient soft tissues that we do not understand. Why are these materials preserved when all our models say they should be degraded?” Mary H. Schweitzer, “Blood from Stone,” Scientific American, Vol. 303, December 2010, p. 69.

    When Schweitzer reported her discovery to Horner, he replied, “Mary, the freaking creationists are just going to love you.” Schweitzer replied, “Jack, its your dinosaur.” [See Jack Horner and James Gorman, How to Build a Dinosaur (New York: Penguin Group, 2009), pp. 80–81.

    “‘I am quite aware that according to conventional wisdom and models of fossilization, these structures aren’t supposed to be there, but there they are,’ said Schweitzer, lead author of the paper. ‘I was pretty shocked.’” Evelyn Boswell, “Montana T. Rex Yields Next Big Discovery in Dinosaur Paleontology,” Montana State University News Service, 24 March 2005, p. 1.

    “Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels...” Mary H. Schweitzer et al., “Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus Rex,” Science, Vol. 307, 25 March 2005, p. 1952.

    “‘I got goose bumps,’ recalls [Mary] Schweitzer. ‘It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?’” Virginia Morell, Dino DNA: The Hunt and the Hype,” Science, Vol. 261, 9 July 1993, p. 160.

    11) In addition, there have been numerous similar findings since then:

    Researchers have found a reason for the puzzling survival of soft tissue and collagen in dinosaur bones - the bones are younger than anyone ever guessed. Carbon-14 (C-14) dating of multiple samples of bone from 8 dinosaurs from Texas, Alaska, Colorado, and Montana revealed that they are only 22,000 to 39,000 years old. Since dinosaurs are thought to be over 65 million years old, the news is stunning. The researchers presented their findings at the 2012 Western Pacific Geophysics Meeting in Singapore, August 13-17, a conference of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) and the Asia Oceania Geosciences Society (AOGS).

    12) Debunking Skeptics: Skeptics have tried to debunk the preserved dino tissue by saying that iron acted as a preservative. However, iron is always found in blood and bone marrow and has never been shown to preserve blood. Just try to bury a cow, dig it up 10 years later and see how flexible the blood vessels are, right? There will be NO MORE COW after 10 years.

    Wishing evidence will go away is not debunking it. Google it - tons of articles today on preserved dino soft tissue. Preserved flexible blood vessels and blood cells out of a T-rex bone will not simply go away just because ATHEISTS wish it would go away.

    They have pictures of microscope shots SHOWING the vessels and red blood cells. It is definitely PRESERVED SOFT TISSUE AND BLOOD CELLS from a T-Rex. Thoroughly genuine find, not to mention other similar finds from a Hadrosaur. Too many secular sources on the net to deny its reality at this point. Pathetic to even try. Nothing is 'debunked' from an unwillingness to see the evidence. You cannot wish it to go away - the proof is staring at you.

    Thank You Lord for showing us Your Word is true, and may You work in the hearts and minds of those in rebellion, that some may be saved, in Jesus Name!
     
  2. Skwim

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    Ah, 'tis evidence indeed. Terrible and worthless evidence, but evidence none the less.

    What is really amusing though is the presumption that if science can be shown to be wrong in some of its assertions then by default the Bible has to be right in its.

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  3. Hockeycowboy

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    You've presented some interesting information but finding one rock that's young, is not evidence they are all young.

    Same with T-rex
     
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    "If fossils of the dinosaurs were less than 6,000 years old, detectable fragments of DNA should be present in a sizable percent of dinosaur fossils, especially in the Arctic and Antarcticregions where the decay of DNA can be slowed down 10-25 fold. A claim that soft tissues in a Tyrannosaurus fossil had been recovered in 2005 has since been shown to be mistaken, supporting the idea that dinosaur fossils are extremely old. "

    New research challenges notion that dinosaur soft tissues still survive (retrieved 12 February 2009)

    Aldhous, Peter (18 May 1996). Dinosaur DNA fails new test of time" Accessed November 22, 2007.

    "More recent work appears to support Schweitzer’s claim with limited speculation on how the DNA survived "

    Service, Robert F. (January 31, 1917) [1] (retrieved 18 November 2017)

    "Prior to this was a report on DNA extraction from a 3.8 million-year-old ostrich egg shells."

    Gibbons, Ann (16 September 2016)[2] (retrieved 18 November 2017)
     
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  5. Amanaki

    Amanaki The truth lay within you.

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    May it be that the nail found within the rock coul be millions of years old, and that when God say he created earth and universe in 7 days, the days are not in human days but in as of god? He might have a different time where he is if you think of dimensions. it culd be that Gods ay is many years in human days. right?
     
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  6. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    All this debating about the age of the Earth only serves as a distraction to prevent us from practicing the important things.
     
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    Ice layering is observed in ice sheets and glaciers where the average temperature does remain below freezing.

    Annual differences in temperature and irradiation cause ice to form differently from year to year, and this forms alternating layers of light and dark ice, much like tree rings. This method is an accurate method to measure the age of an ice sheet, as only a single layer forms annually. Very rarely do multiple layers form in the same year, this doesn't prevent ice layering from providing a minimum age, because these rare multi-layers that formed in the same year are discernible from single annual layers; thus, they correctly get collectively counted as having formed over a period of one year.

    There have been over 700,000 layers found in a single ice sheet, proving the Earth is far more than 10,000 years old. Even if an absurdly high average of 10 layers formed per year, the age of the Earth demonstrated by this method would be at least 70,000 years.

    Nevertheless, the age of some ice on the Earth has been determined to be 160,000 years (±15,000 years) as measured by ice layering,
     
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    Oh dear!

    All these have been debunked time and time again.
    May I recommend the website "Talk Origins" - there is a list of all these claims and the reason why they are just that...claims.
    Here is you T.Rex. story debunked...
    CC371: Tyrannosaurus blood
     
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  10. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    So, no pet Rex? :(
     
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    Sorry, no. But there are other dinosaurs that you could buy as a pet.
     
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    You can come and stroke mine
     
  13. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    Yes, I used to own a few of his smaller relatives, Chickens. :)
     
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    What "steady-state assumptions" are these, that you are taking issue with?
     
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    Before anyone puts in any kind of effort in to this, can you confirm whether you have any interest in actually discussing any of the points you’ve listed here or is this more of a post-and-run scenario? :cool:
     
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    @ftacky -

    The last two lines of your post....... Perhaps now might be a good time to review the rules of the forum.
     
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    I don't think Jesus would be happy with the mindset displayed in this post.
     
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    The earth is as old as it is, doesn't matter what anyone's religion says it is. If you believe in God, do you really think He sat around in the dark until 6000 years ago and suddenly said, "Hey, I think I'll make something today."
     
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    All of those scientists throughout the world who accept the age of the Earth should now look to this thread for a thorough refutation of their foolish results after wasting years on research.

    God bless the Internet.
     
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    so a god that intentionally deceives? That makes everything else the god says suspect as well.
     
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