Drug and alcohol addiction

[Treasure Hunter]

I’ve posted a lot in this thread so far, but if anyone wants me to keep going, then like this post. If there is enough interest, I’ll do that. Otherwise, I don’t want to dominate this thread more than I already have.

 

[Riders]

Well I also watch drugs inc. There was one show done in alaska where a lot of native americans live. I don't remember if it was the rate of alcoholism or drug addiction or both. But it's way higher in the native american neighborhoods and it Is another neighborhoods.

1 Of the things that blamed on it was Al lack Of culture . I'm just wondering if they were referring to the Native American religion not being involved or active. I'm just curious.

 

[The Hammer]

Addicts have a spiritual problem. I try to fill my emptiness need for God with food.Drug addicts fill their desir e for God with drugs. That's why 1w st ed p recove r y programs are spiritual.

There are non-spiritual recovery programs out there. It's called SMART Recovery.

Home - SMART Recovery

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[ajay0]

Sadhguru had proposed meditation as a solution to drug and alcohol addiction...

You can be stoned and alert at the same time

By Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev Statistics from credible sources indicate a sharp upswing in the volume of substance abuse in the world today. We may soon reach a point when entire populations turn chemically dependent –...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

What accounts for the steep rise in substance abuse? Survival is no longer an issue for a large segment of society. When people move out of survival mode, they need other areas of interest and passionate involvement. If not, the search for other triggers for intoxication will naturally rise. Secondly, if you are unfit or unable to enjoy the vitality of your own system, you invariably turn to external stimulants. Most importantly, the old sops offered by traditional religious systems no longer satisfy the modern intellect. The heaven promised to believers is collapsing. And we have nothing else to replace it with.

Yoga works in the modern world because it addresses the fundamental human need for intoxication. It also does not ask us to outsource our pleasure to heaven. There is a great natural human longing to be boundless, to expand to a dimension beyond physicality. If you die, that happens anyway. But your desire is to be rooted in the physical and still have a taste of the beyond. What you are seeking is, in fact, a twilight zone: you want to be rooted in the day and still taste the night. People turn to drugs for the very same reason.

If your alertness and intelligence are not compromised, inebriation is a great way to be. Another word for this condition is simply meditation. Instead of getting drunk, if people meditated, they could be stoned and alert at the same time. They would also turn phenomenally productive because nothing would feel burdensome any more. The reason people want to get drunk every weekend is that they want to shed the burdens of the week. If they tried just a little meditation, they could stay drunk all week long! ~ Sadhguru

 

[1213]

Why and how do you think you can reason your way out of mental health issues? Can I just reason that I don't want to be clinically depressed anymore?

Do you think there is some reason for being depressed? If there is a reason, then one can also reason himself out of it. If there is no reason, why would one be depressed?

 

[1213]

Have I ever said anywhere that it's impossible? Why do you have that in your head?

You can't just "reason" your way out of alcohol dependence.

If you say it can't be done, it is same as saying it is impossible.

 

[1213]

Cool, because there are. Very dangerous ones.

Mind is a powerful system. I saw once a very good document about nocebo effect. It had a case where a man thought he had taken powerful fatal drug and he believed he was going to die. He was taken into hospital, because he was in very serious condition and dying. Luckily someone told him that it was just a drug that was not harmful at all and he recovered fast after that. If person has bad beliefs, they can cause very serious health conditions.

 

[Ashoka]

Do you think there is some reason for being depressed? If there is a reason, then one can also reason himself out of it.

Nope. As someone who has major depression, no, you can't reason your way out of it. Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain. In the same vein, you cannot reason your way out of substance use disorders either.

 

[Curious George]

Do you think there is some reason for being depressed? If there is a reason, then one can also reason himself out of it. If there is no reason, why would one be depressed?

Can you reason away diabetes?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you say it can't be done, it is same as saying it is impossible.

No, as an addict I am still that. I am just not an active addict.

 

[Riders]

There are non-spiritual recovery programs out there. It's called SMART Recovery.

Home - SMART Recovery

SMART Recovery is the leading evidence-based addiction recovery program. Join a free meeting today and begin experiencing a Life Beyond Addiction.

www.smartrecovery.org

There's also SOS counseling and hypnotherapy.Wha t do you I think us best.We now have AA folks who claim to be Atheist too.

 

[PureX]

There's also SOS counseling and hypnotherapy.Wha t do you I think us best.We now have AA folks who claim to be Atheist too.

Atheists are welcome in AA meetings, where religious talk is not. AA is about recovery from addiction, not religion. The use of a "higher power" can be interpreted however it makes sense. For most people, theists or not, the sober group is their "higher power". And it's who they turn to for the strength and wisdom to help them stay sober.

Also, AA does not reject any other means available to help one in the cause of sobriety. If religion helps, use it. If psychotherapy helps, use it. If psychiatry helps, use it. If time in a professional rehab helps, do it. If other 12 step programs help, use them. They consider this a matter of life and death, so AA supports using whatever means and methods work for an individual to help them stay clean and sober.

 

[1213]

Can you reason away diabetes?

I think this depends on what is the cause of diabetes. But, how is diabetes same as an addiction?

 

[1213]

Nope. As someone who has major depression, ...

You don't know the reason why you are depressed? What causes the "chemical imbalance"? I would like to hear, what it means to you to be depressed.

 

[Colt]

There's also SOS counseling and hypnotherapy.Wha t do you I think us best.We now have AA folks who claim to be Atheist too.

There is no wrong way to get sober. But, the drugs and alcohol were the solution that also became a problem. If the addict is able to stop using for a period of time, then those real underlying problems reemerge and often worse than ever! If those problems are not addressed the addict becomes so uncomfortable in reality, in his or her own skin that they crave the escape again even though they know what the consequences will be!

 

[RestlessSoul]

Do you think there is some reason for being depressed? If there is a reason, then one can also reason himself out of it. If there is no reason, why would one be depressed?

In psychiatry, a distinction is drawn between exogenous and endogenous depression. Exogenous depression is caused by circumstances in the sufferers life, endogenous depression arises from within the sufferer and is unrelated to environment etc. The distinction is a bit arbitrary though.

 

[Curious George]

I think this depends on what is the cause of diabetes. But, how is diabetes same as an addiction?

The answer is no. You cannot reason away diabetes. And alcohol use disorder is similar to diabetes in that they both represent a disorder where your body is not physically functioning as it had prior to the disorder.

 

[wellwisher]

What is the right answer to change our problem? Why do we have it? We have all these vivacious religions here, over-friendly Jewish Temples friendly churches, and Mosques, and yet we as Americans can´t find a cure with all our religions here? It would seem that we could cure our problems, but we are in a crisis, the medical field, says our opiate and meth addictions are a national Crisis!

The main problem is the Political Left teaches a victim mentality instead of self reliance. The Left is a diversity of victim classes all seeking equity. As they wait for the promised payout, many become stuck in victimhood. If you are a victim you will either lose hope, or get mad, with addiction a way to forget you pain. If you are self reliant, there is always hope, and other outlets under your control, to help you moderate your recreational choices.

Victimhood is also rewarded or promised rewarded by the Left; trans and reparations. They would like to make all street drugs legal, except cigarettes. This is a strange line in the sand. This is not a good combination, and it will make it harder to escape being a victim; dangle the carrot.

It reminds me of an over protective mother; smother, who does a lot from her child, but to the point of creating dependency and handicaps, so they can never leave her. The broken child can never become self reliant; snow flake. They will need mother to carry them around. They can temporarily escape from this hopeless situation, with drugs and alcohol, which is fine by their smother, who knows this will hobble them, more, so she is needed even more.

Another problem is the medical industry still uses casino science, which is the same math used by gambling casinos, pollsters, politicians, marketing and advertising. The whims of the gods of casino math is not how self reliance works. Self reliance is more rational. Whims of the gods makes it easier to sell addiction; risk and benefit odds; fear and desire inductions with fuzzy dice.

 

[exchemist]

I think this depends on what is the cause of diabetes. But, how is diabetes same as an addiction?

This is madness. Diabetes is a medical condition, requiring medical treatment.
Substance addictions (nicotine, alcohol, heroin, opiates, etc) also are in part medical conditions.

 

[Ashoka]

The main problem is the Political Left teaches a victim mentality instead of self reliance. The Left is a diversity of victim classes all seeking equity. As they wait for the promised payout, many become stuck in victimhood. If you are a victim you will either lose hope, or get mad, with addiction a way to forget you pain. If you are self reliant, there is always hope, and other outlets under your control, to help you moderate your recreational choices.

Victimhood is also rewarded or promised rewarded by the Left; trans and reparations. They would like to make all street drugs legal, except cigarettes. This is a strange line in the sand. This is not a good combination, and it will make it harder to escape being a victim; dangle the carrot.

It reminds me of an over protective mother; smother, who does a lot from her child, but to the point of creating dependency and handicaps, so they can never leave her. The broken child can never become self reliant; snow flake. They will need mother to carry them around. They can temporarily escape from this hopeless situation, with drugs and alcohol, which is fine by their smother, who knows this will hobble them, more, so she is needed even more.

Another problem is the medical industry still uses casino science, which is the same math used by gambling casinos, pollsters, politicians, marketing and advertising. The whims of the gods of casino math is not how self reliance works. Self reliance is more rational. Whims of the gods makes it easier to sell addiction; risk and benefit odds; fear and desire inductions with fuzzy dice.

That's a lot of words for, "I don't understand how addiction works and instead of doing research I will blame the left."