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Do you believe in reincarnation?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Ana.J, Oct 10, 2016.

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  1. Ana.J

    Ana.J Active Member

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    Do you believe that people incarnate on Earth multiple times? Do you remember your past lives?
    Do you know anyone who remembers?

    Do you think that human soul can incarnate only into human bodies or to plants and animals as well? Why?

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts ;)
     
  2. Terese

    Terese Mangalam Pundarikakshah
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    Yes, i believe in reincarnation. Do i remember my past life? Hmm, not sure. That is a question overflowing with speculation.

    An atma (spirit-soul) can be embodied in anything that is living, from a germ to a plant to a human. Every living thing has an atma. :)
     
  3. Ana.J

    Ana.J Active Member

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    Interesting....But how can I experience the life of a tree for example? If I have consciousness, it will be a torture! And who decides where to embody my atma?
     
  4. Aiviu

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    The human soul once awaken/open will be enriched with reincarnations of those who you had been known from the actual living person. If a vessel dies those who were incarnated are free to leave if they were both true of love.

    EDIT: I have to change a text passage.
     
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    Yes.
    No.
    Not personally.
    Even into a rock.
    Because that's what the soul needs for rectification.
    Your welcome.
     
  6. Terese

    Terese Mangalam Pundarikakshah
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    The consciousness of a tree/plant is quite limited compared to humans. Trees/plants don't lament, they don't have complex emotions, although they can touch and feel, and have a basic awareness of their surroundings.

    Who you ask? That would be the Supreme Lord Vasudeva, through his Will. One's karmic records determine which body you attain. A human body is the highest form an atma in the material world can experience.
     
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  7. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    No. "Who we are" is way too dependent on environmental and biological factors for that to seem even vaguely possible to me.

    I have vague remembrances of the life I had before I was 25, yes.
    Not really. I do know a lot of Kardecist Spiritists for whom speaking with the dead as a thing and who are big on reincarnation, but even among them remembering past lives is rare or even unknown.

    They do however talk a lot about affinities and debts from past lives.

    No. I don't think there is such a thing as a true soul, except perhaps in the most fleeting of senses.
     
  8. rusra02

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    The idea of reincarnation depends on some part of a person to live on after death. I believe the Bible clearly teaches this is not the case. For example, Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 affirms; "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all....Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." I believe hope for the dead is a resurrection back to life. (Acts 24:15)
     
  9. PeteC-UK

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    Hi Folks...

    Ana; Personally -YES - I believe - know for sure - Souls reincarnate on Earth (and other similar worlds) MANY TIMES - in an eternal cycle of death life death - a NATURAL EVENT as it is MIND that CREATES all material substances and mind itself is ETERNAL without ANY form or substance....It has to be experienced to be understood properly, but it is very real and legitimate...Whichever "world" we incrarnate on is our same homeworld and same species time after time ...Always a SELF CREATED BEING - what we hold as personal belief of Self is that which we will create here in life - again and again - and this Self reflection brings about Self understanding of course and THIS is the drive of all existance - to know the Self fully and completly - GNOSIS drives all Creation...

    Yes - personally I have some vague "memories" that i can only take to be from previous lives.. Like totally experential just like my normal "Earthly memories" - yet obviously not this "time and place" or this life I now live..

    There is practically NO cross species cross form incarnation - animals do NOT become humans (exceptions) and humans do NOT devolve back into the lower animal state - NEVER...That whole "bad karma good karma" nonesense is totally bogus the way they teach it.....Karma IS real - but is very poorly understood by the "religions" that profess to teach it.. Karma is the SELF CREATION PROCESS itself - the inherant and natural talent of ALL Sentient Mind to bring about its own Self created reality - results of either SELF AWARE CREATION - bring that which we term "good karma" or the results of IGNORANT Self creation (usually so for the vast majority here) brings about that which we would term "bad karma"... It is NEVER though a "tally of good deeds stacked against bad that determines next life" - lol - COMPLETE NONESENSE - the NEXT life we have is determined FULLY by that which we KNOW OF OUR SELF and our ETERNAL NATURE and this essential Self truth is learned ALWAYS from the DIRECT EXPERIENCE of life itself - ergo - you are always that which you BELIEVE the Self to Be - and that is what you WILL CREATE OF YOUR SELF...

    Therefore just as my mate Christ advised - before all endeavours - whilst still HERE in life - come to know the TRUTH of the Self fully and completely - for upon death that truth will be revealed anyway and all these bogus illusions of what we "thought and believed" the Self to be, will shatter and we will be left confused once again....In that confused state of MIND we will inevitably cling to that which we have as foundation -the life just finished -and so our mind willonce again RE create that whicjh we thought the Self to be.....

    In life then - see the Self as "human" finite limited MORTAL - and indeed that IS what you will create again after death - THIS IS KARMA - unstoppable - Self created being ALWAYS.......

    Or - in life right here and right now - come to know the Self already AS an ETERNAL SOUL - and thus at death the Soul is free ot CHOOSE that whihc it will Be next - is not now force dinto limited IGNORANT choices - but can finally claim its full potential and so leave these lower relams behind - of ot CHOOSES ot do so.....Before this Self realisation dawns though, there is no REAL choice at all as the mind will panic in ignorance and immedialtely create that which you are expecting based from the life you just led... Thus it looks and seems like karma must be a "punishment or reward" for the things we did in PREVIOUS Lives - but actually legitimate Karma is a universal process of Creation called forth by MIND either in ignorance or Sentient Self awareness and THAT state of Self awareness itself, determines the outcome ALWAYS - therefore as He said - KNOW THY SELF - become fully known and all these mysteries beicome revealed - the Soul progress its journey Home..

    Animals do NOT become human and humans do NOT become animals !!! The first part - there are exceptions - but the second part is TOTALLY FALSE !!
    Not ALL animals have Souls - some higher forms YES - but MOST lower forms are fully INCAPABLE in that regard...

    Its ALL ABOUT SELF AWARE MIND - this is one crucial PRE REQUISITE for an eternal bona fide SOUL - and alongside for such a Soul to be born here the animal must also be fully EMOTIONALLY CAPABLE !! When these two conditinos are met then the individual animal has the POTENTIAL to realise its eternal nature...Its not a guaranteed thing fo ranimals at all - but for humans this Self awareness is firmly established and foundationaland for US the eternal nature IS a guarantee...

    Look - NOT every animal form even HAS a "self aware mind" at all....INSECTS for example are obvious - not individually intelligent at all...Reptiles - amphibians - similar - mostly genetic and enviromental influences not much individual Sentient mind...Thats the same right on up the scale until pretty much MAMMALS - start to exhibit INDIVIDUAL PERSONALITY - individual MIND - and so an animals such as a mammal is half way there so to speak...Next it needs EMOTIONS - and then it needs to combine the two flawlessly seamlessly into one existance...NOT ALL MAMMALS DO THIS....Herd animals are very shy on emotion AND intelligence - it is indeed SHARED EXPERIENCE of the entire herd - one acts they all COPY - genetic and enviromental MOSTLY - the herd acts as a single entity mostly and there is little individualisation - no uniqueness of mind and no Self reflective quality TO that mind - NOT a Soul - not yet capabe of such Self realisation .....

    Other animal forms though ARE fully capable...Take a wolf as a good example - a Sentient mind - SELF REFLECTIVE - plans,uses strategy, co operation communication - indiviudals are Self aware of their status WITHIN the heirachy of pack...They are aware OTHER members are INHERANTLY the SAME as them yet DIFFERENT to them externally - they have fully developed individual unique Sentient mind - no1 pre requisite for a Soul... This emotional capacity is crucial.. The ability to see the other lifeform as inherantly the SAME AS SELF is absolutely vital for it shows the individual that the external body form is irrelevant - and it is the "thing" inside the body form that is actually "alive".. If the individual comes to this self realisation then the wolf may die and find it self to be a LIVING MIND still - SELF REFLECTING on that which it IS - it may at last gain its ETERNAL NATURE - as that mind realises it is a "wolf" and so KARMA quite dutifully RECREATES that "wolf form" again and that mind that is now an eternal Soul once again becomes that which it BELIEVED it Self to Be for this is how KArma works - unstoppable.....

    Mostly then - animals REMAIN animals - dictated ALWAYS by their Self awareness - which of course is dictated ALWAYS by the DIRECT EXPERIENCE of lifes they lead...Gnosis ALWAYS drives creation Folks....Self awareness governs reincarnation always...

    Take it further then - humans and our pets.....The dog - cat - especially - fully Sentient mid - full emotional capacity...For sure - my dogs and cats MUST see their Self AS the SAME AS ME = and as each other - for they all react to and treat each other as if we are all "one species" - one FAMILY...The external form is IRRELEVANT to the mind of my animals - as it is to me my Self of course - it is what is INSIDE the body that they interact with and they realise this fully Im sure treat all the same no matter which animal form it is....

    Perhaps then - when my dogs die for example - their minds will be free as said to create that which they BELIEVE them Self to be...So - perhaps with this Self realisation as being essentially he SAME as a "human" INHERANTLY so - they will begin to conceive of Self AS an ACTUAL "human being" - for after all - it is only the external form that needs to change - the crucial MIND is already fully capable of actually BEING "human" for it IS human right now in every important respect except just for now that mind is trapped in a different body form... My dogs and cats (our pets) dont start off with this potential - but - by continually interacting with humans (and other lifeforms) as EQUALS, so the individual animal soon comes to claim that equal status in life - upon death this will inevitably free the mind to allow it to progress and realise the inherant Self potential that its life has just revealed to it..Karma will do the rest dutifully create the life that the mind BELIEVES it Self to Be - always...
     
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  10. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    More privy to rebirth. My take is atoms get "recycled" enabling the "lights to come on" like our own first experience with living.

    I pretty much would say no to the rest.

    The ego meets a true death as I see things. Not life and living as far as we know.

    I take this as an educated guess. Not a belief.
     
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  11. Thief

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    I have not ruled it out
    but I do believe we are here to learn all that we can before we die
    so maybe.....some of us get a second chance
    life can be wasted or cut short

    oh if I had my youth one more time!!!!!!
     
  12. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    The atoms in our bodies are constantly "recycled" throughout our lives. Little to no matter that was part of our bodies at birth is part of our bodies when we die.
     
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    and I did construct a musical instrument in high school
    a round back, short necked, stringed 'lute'

    the school year ended and the fret board was not in place
    but I had worked my fingers til they bled
    and exceeded the instructors know how (he said so, half way through)

    so I took the industrial award that senior year
    having only that one semester of woodshop

    it did seem, my hands knew what to do
     
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    I wish there was a "not sure" choice in the poll, because im not sure.
     
  15. Ana.J

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    Added "Not sure" option for you ;)
     
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  16. beenherebeforeagain

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    1) In some senses of the word/concept, yes.
    2) I do have memories that I associate with several past incarnations/transmigrations
    3) Yes, I have meet several people who also claim to have memories of past lives; this includes my love of several lifetimes, my wife.
    4) Why do you think that only humans have spirit, and that spirit of an individual is a singular thing? I expect that when "I" cease this life, my spirits (the spirits that make up "me") will disperse--some ending abruptly, some dissipating slowly, others moving on to other persons (both human and other-than-human). Some of them may be able to remember some of my life experiences and feelings, just as "I" recall past incarnations.

    Why? I have no idea, although there are several schools of thought about it. I don't know if we're "here to learn" or whatever. There may not be a singular explanation.

    Of course, it might be a delusion on my part, and other peoples' as well. But certainly, believing it doesn't seem to interfere with my day-to-day living.

    5) You're welcome.
     
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  17. YmirGF

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    Multiple? Try millions upon millions of times...
    I do have fragment "memories", but they aren't really memories, per se, as reincarnation is not a linear or straight line event. It's more like hopscotch or perhaps an extremely complex form of 3D chess.
    Evidently. :)
    Most human animals would be quite surprised what they can incarnate as when they put their mind to it - pun intended... :D
    We incarnate because we are incredibly curious creatures and the physical environment lends itself to a virtually unlimited field of exploration.

    Note: My version of reincarnation is not like anything you will find in any book. One main difference in my weird view is that all incarnations exist simultaneously. In this respect there is no "past" nor are there "future" lives as all lives exist in their own timeline, independent of the other, here and now. What needs to be understood is that the one who incarnates is not the "you" that you are familiar with. "You" are the autonomous result of your larger identity's wish to express itself in a unique way AS you. The same is true for all "your" incarnations.

    Another major difference in my warped view is that the incarnation process is not a process leading to some imagined nirvanic perfection. The only real reason is to learn in a remarkably fluid environment in ways that are quite impossible to the relatively unencumbered "larger identity" to otherwise experience. In a very real way, the larger identity hobbles itself by selecting from a vast array of circumstances traits and features that are of interest to it, for whatever reason, and it then empowers the focus self (you) to explore those circumstances and features in a very practical "what if" experiment. What is known as karma has no bearing, whatsoever, on this process as one aspect of the larger identity is not at the mercy of the actions of any other aspect of the larger identity.
     
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  18. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    I very much like this nugget @beenherebeforeagain as it would seem to be a shared perception. I wonder how many times you have been the wife or the husband ... or perhaps the child of or parent of....
     
  19. beenherebeforeagain

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    Thank you. We think we were together two or three hundred years ago in Ireland...and we've been searching for each other until 2000, when we met again...
     
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