Land of the rising sun
And this is talking about situation Israel was facing during a specific time. The sign to the non-believing King (Ahaz) was a sign he would see in his day. This is why I said read Isaiah all the way through into 8. Look at verse 8:7-8.
Yeshayahu - Chapter 8 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
Therefore, behold the Lord is bringing up on them the mighty and massive waters of the river-the king of Assyria and all his wealth, and it will overflow all its distributaries and go over all its banks and it will penetrate into Judah, overflowing as it passes through, up to the neck it will reach; and the tips of his wings will fill the breadth of your land, Immanuel.
Do you now see what the KJV has done? The verse isn't talking about (a person) as the KJV says (he shall.....). What justification do they use for rendering those words to include (he and his?). None whatsoever. It is talking about the King of Assyria and his army against kings Rezin and Pekah
Isaiah 8:1-22 | Werner Bible Commentary
"Septuagint: therefore, look! The Lord is bringing up over you the mighty and abundant water of the River the king of the Assyrians and his glory. And he will go up on every valley of yours and on every wall of yours.
In the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah, my Lord appears above the main line of text. Immediately below the correction, only the topmost strokes of the letters of the text are preserved. The divine name (YHWH) appears to have been present in the main text.
YHWH would let the people of the kingdom of Judah suffer from Assyrian aggression, which would result in devastating the land as would the strong, swiftly moving current of the Euphrates River at flood stage. This would occur because they had rejected him as the dependable source of aid and turned to Assyria for help in dealing with the threat from kings Rezin and Pekah. The Assyrian kings glory may be his military force in which he took pride and by means of which he attained the victories that provided the basis for his boasting. In the Septuagint, the focus is on the military campaign, with the invaders marching over all the valleys and scaling the walls of cities to conquer them."
As you can see the story is less to do about a boy being born to a supposed virgin 750 years later and more to do with what was happening in Israel during (that) time.
Again, I'm not sure what your question is here. The sign given was to Ahaz and all of the people of Israel. It was a sign that Ahaz and the people would see come to fruition in their time. It wasn't a prophecy that was to occur 750 years later.
And he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
Now do you see it? Isaiah was delivering the prophecy that the Lord (YHWH) would give the house of David a sign and it would be one they would see.
Lione D ea: You mentioned this recently, saying:
Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin
And this is all wrong. Taking a verse out of context, especially when trying to apply Old Testament stories/prophecies to future people/events, sets you up for failure if you don't understand the context of the story you're taking the quote from. Isaiah is no different. The prophecy was meant for King Ahaz and not talking about something that would supposedly happen 750 years later. This becomes quite clear when you read and understand the WHOLE story/context of Isaiah. It definitely becomes clear when you get to Isaiah 8:8 and 8:10. (03-23-2012, 10:53 PM)
Lione D ea: We have no problem in your given passage, I only asked you, if he is Immanuel mention there, because of your beliefs, it means to Ahaz, So, he is the sign that the Lord will deliver in Israel, So, I said to myself, if that Ahaz mentioned sign and name Immanuel that the Lord will deliver in Israel, why there in passage of the 12-14 of Isaiah he said:
But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Lione D ea: Thus, passage of this to you, if this prophecy is for Ahaz, if not for Ahaz, then who is the sign(the child Immanuel) in that DAY you mention in chapters and verses, what is that support that waiting in that day given by God to Ahaz if he is not the sign?
If we looked at it either way with the assumption it was Isaiah's wife then she was a young woman that was not a virgin because they had already had a son.
Yes because if it is talking about Isaiah's wife, which it appears to me that it just may be the case, then she was no virgin.
Lione D ea: I only asked, is the young-woman is virgin, in her youth before she concieved, as said in Isaiah 7:14 is this:
Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
Lione D ea: This referred here is a young-woman will conceive a CHILD with her bosom, meaning this is her first-born, my question only is the young-woman there in cited is a virgin BEFORE she conceived?
I didn't say Solomon was the wisdom that is spoken of in 8:22. I said the Proverbs are (The Proverbs of Solomon). I said "wisdom" in Proverbs is personified as a female and the fact of the mater is..it is (see: Woman Wisdom: Bible | Jewish Women's Archive).
Lione D ea: Brother do not just changed your answer, because we are talking here is, who is this wisdom, so your answer was, in Proverbs 1:1, it is wrong, because not placed there, Solomon is wisdom in cited, this is my question again, prove that Solomon is the Wisdom that existed before the earth created according in Proverbs 8:22-23?