Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil

[Ceridwen018]

those children who were lied to may or may not get over it later on in life.

Just asking, but does the idea for this thread come from your own personal issues with the 'Santa Lie'? Have you yourself not gotten over it yet?

 

[t3gah]

Just asking, but does the idea for this thread come from your own personal issues with the 'Santa Lie'? Have you yourself not gotten over it yet?

Since I don't post duplicate responses you'll have to back track through all the posts to find that answer.

 

[FyreBrigidIce]

Would you prefer your outfits to have floppy ears, or horns?

Horns of course!!!! :jam:

 

[SoulTYPE]

Because FBI has a devious side, remember? muahah

 

[FyreBrigidIce]

Because FBI has a devious side, remember? muahah

Exactamundo!!!

Besides, My other pair of horns fell off after they broke my halo, so I need a new pair.

 

[Bastet]

Just asking, but does the idea for this thread come from your own personal issues with the 'Santa Lie'? Have you yourself not gotten over it yet?

The short answers are yes, and no. Sad, isn't it.

 

[t3gah]

Christian -- adj. 1 Professing or following the religion of Christ. 2 Relating to or derived from Christ or his doctrine. 3 Manisfesting the spirit of Christ or of his teachings. 4 Characteristic of Christianity or Christendom. 5 Colloq. Human; civilized; decent. --n. 1 One who believes or professes belief in Jesus as the Christ; a member of the Christian church. 2 A disciple of Jesus of Nazareth; one whose profession and life conform to the example and teaching of Jesus. [OE cristen <LL christiamus < Christus CHRISTIAN]

key of abbreviations
OE = Old English
LL = Latin Language

 

[Feathers in Hair]

If you say you are a pagan and not a Christian you can't be because the celebration is for the Christ. The founder of Christianity. But then this holy day which is the definition of holiday, is for Saturnalia and not for Jesus.

Wait, we can't be pagans, now? Or Christians can't celebrate a day which was not originally Christian? Or pagans can't celebrate a holiday of their own tradition and welcome those who might wish to join in a spirit of thanksgiving and joy to our various creators?

But what do you say is the connection between Satan and evil?

That they're both Christian concepts?

If what I'm reading is correct, it doesn't sound like you actually want to have a debate. Am I understanding correctly?

 

[t3gah]

You'll have to discuss that with the Admin of religiousforums.com. I started this thread under "christian" and not "religious debates". He or she moved it!

(Jeremiah 10:3-5)
10:3 For the customs of the peoples are delusion; Because it is wood cut from the forest, The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool. 10:4 "They decorate it with silver and with gold; They fasten it with nails and with hammers So that it will not totter. 10:5 "Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot walk! Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good."

 

[Feathers in Hair]

You'll have to discuss that with the Admin of religiousforums.com. I started this thread under "christian" and not "religious debates". He or she moved it!

I'm sorry, I mispoke myself. What I meant was, in most debates there is a certain give and take on both sides.

And if you're only wanting Christians to participate in a thread, you can always feel free to say "Christian responses only, please". I was just curious about the wording of "If you say you are a pagan and not a Christian you can't be because the celebration is for the Christ", and that was why I asked.

 

[t3gah]

Here's something interesting I found during my research..

Roman Catholic Church... "Christmas" name prior to Reformation: “Feast of Fools”


Feast

of

Fools

 

[linwood]

No angel in heaven would be called Satan or Devil or Beelzebub.

Numbers22:22
And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants [were] with him.

The original Hebrew uses the word Satan to describe this angel of the lord acting as an adversary for God.

This angel is not beezelbub but a messenger from God to Balaam

http://www.jcsm.org/StudyCenter/kjvstrongs/STRHEB78.htm#S7854

Merry Xmas

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Here's something interesting I found during my research..

Roman Catholic Church... "Christmas" name prior to Reformation: “Feast of Fools”


Feast

of

Fools

I will leave you with the notation that the Feast of Fools was actually a different day, the reason for Christmas briefly being called "Fooltide" being due to the Reformation. The Middle Ages Feast of Fools was generally held between Christmas and Epiphany. You were kind enough to make my point for me. Thank you, and Namaste.

 

[SoulTYPE]

I saw on the tv today a group of Christians working their asses off wrapping and donating presents to the Sri Lankan refugees. Now, is that considered evil and ruining the belief of Christmas? No.
I think it was very thoughtful.

 

[SoulTYPE]

A website or dictionary will never have the same precise definition of Satan as the Bible does.

 

[SoulTYPE]

(Acts 20:35)
YOU must assist those who are weak, and must bear in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said, 'There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.

Tell THAT to RF.

Anyways, Christmas is a time of giving, no? If it is not could you state why you think so.
How they choose to celeberate it is not relevant.

 

[t3gah]

Anyways, Christmas is a time of giving, no? If it is not could you state why you think so.

How they choose to celeberate it is not relevant.

[font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]1. Christmas Customs--Are They Christian? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
The Christmas season is here. Is it a spiritual occasion, or is it only a festive and merry period?[/size][/font]

[font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]2. [/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]Has Christmas Lost Christ? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
Has the modern-day celebration of Christmas lost sight of Christ?
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[font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]3. [/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]Beliefs and Customs That Displease God - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
In 16 well-illustrated lessons, this brochure presents the Bible's basic teachings.
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[font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]4. [/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]Jesus' Birth--The Real Story - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
The real Jesus is often lost in Christmas celebrations. Why, there is no record that he ever even told the disciples his date of birth; nor is there any indication that his followers celebrated his birthday.
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[font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]5. [/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]Building on Pagan Foundations - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
Among the many impressive monuments that are visited by tourists to Rome, Italy, is the Pantheon.[/size][/font]

6. [font=arial, helvetica][size=-1]Learning From Jesus' Human Family - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
What do you know about Jesus' immediate family? What can we learn from examining his family?[/size] [/font]

7. Index - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site

the links above are for your reference only. i am not attempting to proselyte anyone with the content of the web pages associated with the links above. i am not a Jehovah's Witness anymore. i believe in The Way.

 

[FyreBrigidIce]

WOW!!!! I guess all the churches and other organizations who have been giving to many different people that are less off in other countries does not really matter to you as long as you can claim it does not happen but once a year and still have a clear conscience.

It is a good thing for everyone that the 1st Amendment in The United States Constitution protects all religions. Could you imagine how many lawsuits would be attempted for Slander against religions, just based on what and how each person learns about its origins and when it actually became a religion?

 

[Melody]

Would Jesus approve of a celebration that professes to honor him, yet is steeped in pagan rites and customs?

I will agree about the vulgar commercialism of the season and that it doesn't reflect the true meaning of the holiday....for Christians. If you aren't a Christian, then it's just a holiday to be celebrated in whatever fashion you choose to....including praying to your Christmas tree.

I don't know of any Christian practicing pagan rites. We put up a Christmas tree in my home because it's decorative and we enjoy looking at it....and it's branches are the perfect place for my nativity scene. I have balloons at my children's birthday parties. What's the difference?

We sing carols honoring the Christ child's birth. How is this a pagan rite?

We give gifts to those who hold a special place in our hearts in remembrance of the gifts given to the Christ child by the Magi. We also give gifts to charitable organizations, both time and money, for that same reason. Many of the good people I know (and not all are Christians) do this year round.

Do I think Jesus would approve? Yes, I do. I don't know why some people take such a gloomy view of God/Jesus. We're talking about a Creator who created a platypus, for heaven's sake! He also created humans and if that doesn't show a sense of humor, I don't know what does!

Do you remember the story in the Bible where Jesus was invited to a wedding? This was before he became famous and known for his miracles, so one must assume that it was because he was a likeable fellow and enjoyed a good party.

In John 12:3-8, Mary pours oil of Nard on the feet of Jesus and when Judas decries the expense, is told by Jesus to leave her alone because we will always have the poor, but not him. In Matthew 25:40, Jesus said "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Min, even the least of them, you did it to Me."

So if I give to charity or give a gift to a loved one in honor of him, I see no harm.

Melody

 

[Ronald]

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

What part of the Truth is Christmas?