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Bloomberg’s Lateral Strategy

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Howard Is, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. Howard Is

    Howard Is Lucky Mud

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    “Billionaire former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg this week pledged to pay off the debts of formerly convicted criminals in Florida, to allow them to be eligible under state law to vote in the upcoming US presidential election.


    Billionaire's 'stunning' gesture could lose the election for Trump

    This brought a smile to my face for a lot of reasons. Mainly because it is such a ‘left field’ manoeuvre.

    I particularly like this quote -

    “If you say people can't vote until their debts are paid and then object to their debts being paid, you confirm that your true purpose was to prevent voting rather than to collect debt,” he wrote on Twitter this morning.
    - Matthew Segal from the American Civil Liberties Union

    Genius.
     
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  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    So basically its a bribe.
     
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  3. Howard Is

    Howard Is Lucky Mud

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    Absolutely not.
    They don’t have to vote.
    They can vote for Trump if they want.
    Is that OK with you ?
     
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    Wish all rich people would do the same for those who are close to being left out of society :)
     
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  5. Howard Is

    Howard Is Lucky Mud

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    Yeah, there is enough to go around.

    Anyone who says that it’s OK for the wealthiest 100 people to have wealth equivalent to the poorest 3.5 billion has proved, IMO, that they are lamentably ignorant.

    That is the actual situation btw. I could fit those 100 men in my apartment, and their wealth equals half of all the humans living - the poor half. It is inconceivably obscene and inhuman IMO.
     
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    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    What if they want to vote for Trump?
     
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  7. Father Heathen

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    I don't think you understand how bribes work, son.

    Keep on slurpin'.
     
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    Many wealthy people contribute to society.

    Top 10 U.S. Billionaires That Donated to Charity in 2018
    Top 10 U.S. Billionaires That Donated to Charity in 2018

    How The Giving Habits Of The Super Rich Are Changing
    Since then, Buffett, now 83, has pledged $46.6 billion in donations — about $36.1 billion of that to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation — representing more than 71% of his net worth. That statistic puts him atop a list of the most generous of America’s wealthiest individuals, based on an analysis by The Chronicle. (For a look at the full list, scroll to the end of this article.)

    Following Buffett on the list is Gates himself who since 2000 has given $18 billion to philanthropic causes — 22.2% of his wealth. His main charitable vehicle, his foundation, has assets of $40.3 billion and has given away $41 billion in the past 17 years.
     
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  9. Terry Sampson

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    ???
    • Hypothetical situation: You cannot drive because your car is in need of repairs and you don't have the money to pay for the repairs.
    • I finance the repair of your car.
    • After your car is repaired, you drive it and, while driving, hit and kill Mr. X.
    • Am I guilty of bribing you to kill Mr. X?
     
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  10. Howard Is

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    I get that. But they are giving away sums of money which they could never amass in a sane world IMO.

    “Gates himself who since 2000 has given $18 billion to philanthropic causes — 22.2% of his wealth.”
    That actually reinforces my point. He can give away $18 billion - and still has around $70 billion left !

    Who could possibly need more than $1 billion ?

    I simply cannot accept that a person with that much wealth would keep all or most of it while millions are starving and living without fresh water, unless they were psychopathic.

    Who but a psychopath could watch thousands dying, and living in misery, and say “But I have a right to this money, so you have to die” ?
     
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    No.
    It's ending one form of the voter suppression and state sponsored voting fraud that Florida is famous for.
    Tom
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Tube of lipstick....

    Meet pig.
     
  13. Howard Is

    Howard Is Lucky Mud

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    Running dog of Putin, meet a free man.
     
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    Of course.

    What was I thinking?
     
  15. Howard Is

    Howard Is Lucky Mud

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    You weren’t.
    But how could you possibly know that ?
     
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    At least, at worst, it's a privately funded bribe.

    As opposed to Trump spending billions of taxpayer dollars buying back all the votes he lost when it turned out that trade wars weren't as easy as he said they were. And soybean farmers were stuck living with his mess.
    Tom
     
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    You guys love to cry foul when the ball hasn't even been thrown yet, don't you. Mr. Trump with his "if I lose, the election will have been rigged", and you with your "all the ex-felons will vote for Biden", routines. Sheesh! Are you a fortune teller in a carnival now?
     
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  18. BSM1

    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    He could have offered to pay off the debt of a few struggling families without expectation of any return. This is simply a vote-for-pay scheme...
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    The difference here is that Bloomberg is paying off debt for the expressed purpose of voting. In your hypothetical you would have to pay to have my car repaired for the express purpose of my hitting someone to equate it to Bloomberg's intent.
     
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    That is what he did.
    There is no obligation to vote one way or the other, or at all.
    So what is your problem ?
     
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