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Featured Bigotry as practice

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Nov 20, 2021.

  1. firedragon

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    Ah. I understand.

    But dont you think its a little out of context? Especially this "bigotry" thing. The text says "Dhvesha or Dosa" which means anger. A kind of a hateful anger. Its not really bigotry.

    Also, this is about a self hurt. He asks "if this is for the good, or the bad of the person", then the Kalam's respond saying "for the worse".
     
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Doesn't verse 3 sound like bigotry to you?
    Kalama Sutta: The Instruction to the Kalamas
     
  3. KWED

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    It is a clear and integral part of Islamic ideology. Morality comes from Allah, through Muhammad.
    Now, this does not necessarily mean that a person who does not follow Islam has no morals (an atheist can be teetotal, abstain from extra-marital sex, etc), but it is claimed by apologists that they have no basis for their morals, and it is certainly the case that those who reject Islamic morality are seen to be lacking in morals.

    The Abrahamic religions are, by definition, bigoted. They are prejudiced against those who do not share their opinions.

    This is just a feeble straw man. I'm not sure that you could find many, if any, atheists who think this.

    Can you give some examples of atheists rejecting valid research simply because the author was religious?

    Ironically, your argument is displaying the kind of poor and prejudiced thinking that you are complaining about.
     
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    KWED Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is.
    "Obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group." - OED

    Religionists who think that those who reject their beliefs deserve painful punishment is clear bigotry.
     
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    That sounds pretty prejudiced and intolerant of others' beliefs.
    Hmm, I'm sure there's a word for that...
     
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    I already explained CF. It says "Dhosena". Which means "Out of hatred/anger". If you want I will give the direct text. You can check it if you wish. The word is circled for your easy reference. Screenshot 2021-11-21 at 15.52.29.png
     
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    The Quran's approach towards other religions is both varied and inconsistent.
    "Idolators" (originally referring to Arab paganism) are well and truly ****ed.
    "People of the Book" (Christians and Jews) are sometimes ok but other times criticised or condemned. It seems to depend on when the passage was written. The earlier stuff is more conciliatory and accommodating but as Muhammad gained more military and political power, the passages become more belligerent and supremacist.
     
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    More paranoid delusion, I see.
     
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    Ironic, given that Islam's condemnation of innocent people to an eternity of horrendous torture is the definition of "injustice"

    Who are these "oppressors" and what does their "propaganda" say?
     
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    The people who oppose Hezbollah for example are scum that deserve hell forever. Even being apathetic and neutral and not supporting the best people on earth, to me, people deserve to go hell forever for that.
     
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    Majority of Muslims don't support the truth nor stand against oppressors nor support the proper people and are enemies of believers as well. It's the sad reality. The number of people of truth and their fewness is a reality.
     
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    I agree by the definition of bigot in the OP, I'm a bigot. You happy?
     
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    I'm saying I'm a bigot per his definition but not backing out of it. It's the right stance to take whether others condemn it by a word or not.
     
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    I don't dispute the definition. I'm saying by definition of it but for example if you are anti-homosexual which Islam is by definition, that's bigotry.

    Definition is fluid and decided in real time, so if people decide I'm a bigot so be it. I won't stop condemning oppressors, their supporters, and the apathetic that watch by, and truly the only way to serve justice is to come to the Messengers as that is one of the reasons they were sent, so people rise by justice per Quran (see Surah Hadid for example).

    I don't believe if you turn away from God's guidance you will be able to take the proper stance and be just except for a few exceptions out there.
     
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    The thread is about ideological bigotry. Some religions are ideologically bigoted. Deal with it.
     
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    I actually agree with you, per the official definition, Islam is a bigoted religion. Now he might care about that, I don't.
     
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    Do you support everything Hezbollah says and does?
     
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    Most of it.
     
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    You should.
    If you care about basic human decency, that is.

    Sounds like you don't though.
     
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