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Featured Bigotry as practice

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Nov 20, 2021.

  1. Truthseeker9

    Truthseeker9 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there is bigotry of this type. As far as I know there is no text in the Qur'an that non-Muslims lack morals. Christians don't have such a text, either, in the New Testament. It may be that in the Old Testament there are such indications, but those texts are suspect to me.
    I don't know about stupid, but to them all theists are uncritical thinkers. Only an atheist is a critical thinker. This is also a type of bigotry.
     
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    Wonderful! The same principle could be applied to conservative/liberal or Republican/Democrat. This is even a bigger problem now in the US, in my opinion.
     
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    I remember watching the news at the beginning of Trump's term about two senators(on opposite ends of the political spectrum) having to carpool together... and bonding quickly... over doughnuts. They said once they realized they both shared a deep love of doughnuts, they realized they probably had more in common than not. They took a few videos of themselves on the road to prove that Democrats and Republicans can be friends.

    I think cliquishness in general is a huge problem in the US. People must look the same/act the same/have the same amount of money/have the same beliefs(or lack of) to interact anymore...
     
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    Scalia and Ginsburg were personal friends. I didn't know this when they were both alive.
     
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    I dont wish to be disrespectful ROL but that's bigotry.
     
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    Ill tell you what. As usual this thread is also gonna be dragged into bullying religions while calling them bullying you. So why not open a new thread to do that?
     
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    RayofLight My pronouns: they/them

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    Agreed
     
  8. firedragon

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    I think you are absolutely spot on. You are not justifying bigotry, but giving a reason or cause. There was research done on animosity some time ago and the findings were pretty much supporting what you say. Association decreases bigotry. If I find this research I will give you some kind of data on it and source.

    In my opinion, you are spot on.
     
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    RayofLight My pronouns: they/them

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    Wait do you mean what I said is bigotry or how she acted was?
     
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    I dont mean to offend anyone. What you said was not bigotry, but as I understood she had a particular prototype of Pagans and she treated you that way by default because of who you were.

    That is the definition of bigotry.
     
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    So dispute the definition. Show me how you define bigotry. Go ahead.
     
  12. RayofLight

    RayofLight My pronouns: they/them

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    I agree. She even called the pastor talking about how I was possessed. But anyway...

    Views like that regarding paganism I've found were common. At least where I used to live. Just mention pagan witch youd get flack and in massive trouble with folk. Usually Christians since it was in the bible belt.
    This is what I thought of when I read your post.
    And I think media and lack of common info on paganism play a role on folks equating pagans with demon worship.
    I dont know if any of this is helpful. You asked for what I think. Im inclined to agree with you on both points.
     
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    What you might be observing is the correlation of poor education to belief in irrational concepts.

    Religion is a bit different in that religion tends to be ingrained in cultural frameworks, so are adopted as part as social experience. It's a non-rational process.
     
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    @firedragon

    Why do you think that the belief that those who don't believe as they do will be tortured horribly for all eternity by a vengeful god isn't a bigoted view of unbelievers? Can you elaborate your argument?

    Hell, by the strict definition of the term presented in post number 10, any devoutly religious person with great religious conviction is a bigot since one could easily make the argument that this is attachment to a belief that far exceeds reason. Though that would be a bigot more in the sense of a close minded person or a zealot more than in the sense of a strongly prejudiced person for which the word bigot is more often used these days.
     
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    Have you been reading the Kalama sutta? ;)
     
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    Well. This is my opinion.

    Some religious people may believe that people who dont adhere to their particular religious view will end up in hell. That is because they believe their salvation itself depends on believing in their view. This is an after life matter. Atheists believe that there there is no hell or heaven and all of that is nonsense. So anyone who believes they will go to heaven or hell are just wrong. Do you also consider that bigotry?

    Some theists will believe that all sinners will end up in hell. Is that bigotry? After all, if one intends to, he can define "sinners" as one group and this as simple bigotry. This can go on to murderers. If one believes all murderers will go to hell, that can be considered bigotry?

    If you take that route, you can keep going for ever. you can even call governments bigots for immigration issues, jails, etc etc.

    I dont agree with this religious view of human salvation being only for one group of people and the rest are damned to hell for having a different belief. But I do not consider that bigotry.
     
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    Kalama Sutta I read I think when I was in school. 3rd grade maybe. :)

    Anyway, this is actually not a paramparagatha matter. In fact, I am not going against what I inherited via tradition or through generations, I am in fact confirming what I received through generations.
     
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    Are you trying to show an example of bigotry, rather than responding to the OP?
     
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    It's not 'some Christians' but ALL Christians SHOULD believe that because
    it's in the bible. Same for Jews. The real issue really concerns whether the
    bible itself is accurate.
     
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    The question about the Kalama Sutta was in reference to rejecting the preaching of greed, hatred (bigotry in this case, specifically) and delusion.
     
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