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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. ecco

    ecco Well-Known Member

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    Did you really intend to address the above to me?
     
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    And so you admit that it is entirely your worldview, religion and agenda that sees you naming science as a seeker of God, or that the knowledge gained through scientific discovery is somehow a process of revealing God, etc.

    Tell me, do think that I, as an atheist, would ever claim that science's ultimate goal had something to do with atheism? Can you imagine how delusional or disingenuous I would need to be in order to make such a claim sincerely?
     
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  3. ecco

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    Oh! It is recorded! Wow!

    “I’m Jesus Christ, whether you want to accept it or not, I don’t care.”
    Is a recorded quote from Charles Manson.

    I guess, to your way of thinking, since it's recorded, it must be True.

     
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    The above is an excellent example of your self-serving holier-than-thou mindset.
    • Some embrace God
    • It's so sad that everyone doesn't see the Truth of embracing God.
    • Oh, if only they weren't so blind to the Truth.




    You personally believe that life has no meaning without God. How sad to base one's life on one of thousand of superstitious myths.
     
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    Congratulations.
     
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    ecco Well-Known Member

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    When are you going to present some evidence to support your assertion "that Truth is all of God"?
     
  7. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    The good thing is that by simply living--as believers or not--we are making meaning. We are meaning makers, designed by whatever you wish to believe, God or Nature, to insert our own models into this reality. In this way, we are a part of "God" (Nature, divine being, totality of all that is, what have you) co-creating in a partnership making "wasted lives" impossible from this perspective.
     
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    How are dreams and NDE's 'beyond your senses'? If you can't 'sense' them, how can you claim that they even exists? If you CAN sense them, then clearly they are NOT 'beyond your senses'.
     
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    Most anyone who is pressed hard to provide solid evidence for the existence of any particular god seems to only have anecdotal evidence, their own subjective interpretation of some sort of "experience", or will fall back on "faith". Which is to say, they have nothing concrete or verifiable to show. However, that isn't the topic of this thread, really, so I will leave it at that.
     
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  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    I agree with the aspect of your thoughts which said; "I should make the best of every moment I have in this life because it's the only one I'm sure I have".

    What I have found, is this statement is true, this life results in death. The purpose of this life is indeed to be the best we can and share the best with each other. The key thought is, if we do the best we can, how do we share that with others that suffer in misery and poverty? If we do not share with them, are we doing the best we can?

    I see they are the choices we have and from a faith perspective, this is the concept of being born again. It means being born from the world of material gain, to the spiritual action of charity and service to all.

    Regards Tony
     
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  11. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    My worldview is an adopted and shared worldview. It is adopted from the source of Truth, that is given by God.

    If the source of Truth says that all Truth reverts back to God's Given Manifestation, then that is what I share.

    If you choose not to investigate that source, then I do not expect that you will or can agree with the adopted worldview offered in this thread.

    On the other hand that Truth is within all of us and as such I can not say how you will react to such disclosure.

    Regards Tony
     
  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    If I did not care I would not be here posting such a thread. I can not change the way you consider life, that is all in your hands.

    Many Prophets have walked this earth and given a Message, one can choose to read them and consider if Truth are in those Messages. If one chooses not to and it is the Truth, the Truth does not suffer because of that choice.

    This says it well; "........I bear witness, O friends! that the favor is complete, the argument fulfilled, the proof manifest and the evidence established. Let it now be seen what your endeavors in the path of detachment will reveal. In this wise hath the divine favor been fully vouchsafed unto you and unto them that are in heaven and on earth. All praise to God, the Lord of all Worlds."

    It is your choice, your decision to make.

    Regards Tony
     
  13. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I have never met you and you have not met me.

    We do not know each other.

    Regards Tony
     
  14. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I can use that statement as good evidence to say it is not from man.

    Man always demands proof, when the entire creation they exist in, is proof enough of intelligence.

    Regards Tony
     
  15. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I would agree, it all has meaning.

    I also note that man is inspired to find that meaning and thus this thread.

    Regards Tony
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Have you flown in your dreams? How is that possible as it is not a sensible reality in this world?

    Many People that have NDE know what it is like to fly, they will mostly all say the experience they had can not be explained in this material world.

    I did offer that many will reject these obvious proofs. Science is still at the early stages of research as to how this all happens.

    Regards Tony
     
  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see 'evidence takes many forms. I see a claim by a Messenger as evidence. I see they are the evidence for that claim. Why Is that then not valid evidence, as they can be proved true or false by that same Message?

    One can choose any part of the Truth they wish to embrace, if you see science as the only path to 'Truth', is it scientific to deny that the spiritual does not exist?
     
  18. MikeDwight

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    To go back to your post, I think at least with Some backbone, Everyone is asserting Their version of the Truth . It just reminded me of the classic fault of professors that are there hammering Why did you mention religion to anyone? Are you fanatically a religious defined person? They are discounting circumstances and attributing to me religion, when NO one heard from me needing to do that.

    I have to agree with what you posted since though, outside of persecuting when the moral agreements are denominational Presbyterianism, because not hitting each other over the head with rocks didn't come naturally in the 200 AD, then I do agree with you that everybody sure likes to throw a little sentence here and there. It loses its authority out of context with no explanation they keep doing this.
     
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    Then it was hardly a profound utterance, was it. What other personal observations do you have that aren't worth sharing? That licorice is Satan's favorite nighttime snack? That pi is a rational number, whose truth will become apparent when it's calculated to the five quadrillionth digit?

    Yeah, I didn't figure there would be any explainin', just more unsupported claims.

    Again with the presumptuous generalizations. :rolleyes:

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    What is truth? An essential part of the answer for us both are the Words Revealed by Bahá’u’lláh whom we believe to be the Manifestation of God for today. Of course that is not the standard and belief for most others here on this forum. We need to respect that. So while the starting point for Baha’is is clear it can’t possibly be for one who doesn’t share Baha’i beliefs. However if we believe Bahá’u’lláh there are infinite paths to truth. For example He was said:

    Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay of My command I made thee to appear, and have ordained for thy training every atom in existence and the essence of all created things.

    Bahá'í Reference Library - The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, Page 32

    As religion and science are both wings of knowledge there is an abundance of common ground we can experience with theists and atheists alike.

    As to the question “are we wasting our lives?” the answer will be very different for each one of us according to our values. What appears meaningful and productive for one is completely meaningless for another. I wonder if the question for you is “ am I wasting my time on this forum participating in diverse discussions about religion amongst other things?” I don’t know what the answer is for you nor for me. I do know that I enjoy being here and I learn a great deal.
     
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